BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Rodgers had Suarez in the reserves earlier in the summer. Wasn't because Rodgers didn't rate Suarez, he just had his reasons to why he thought it was best. It's not a case of defending the player because he's more loved than the manager, Rodger's is in charge and he would have his reasons to why he's done it and you accept that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think if any player of any club gets made to train with the reserves/youth side, you have to accept the managers viewpoint as you don't know the ins and outs of it all. It's easier to justify things when they are in the spotlight and you get an idea of why they have been put there but nothing has really been made clear with this one. This literally makes no sense. Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened. You don't start calling the teacher when he has no reputation for constantly putting people in detention? Not like Pardew has a habit of fall outs and puts players in the reserves often. I'm just saying i'm sure Pardew has his reasons to why Marv has been placed there and until/if things become more clear, you can't really defend Marv even though we all like him. Why do we have to accept Pardew's right and not Marveaux since we don't know the story? Marveaux might have been punished for disagreeing with Pardew's football philosophy or lack of it, in which case I'd be on his side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought that was quite good I didn't like the school metaphor, let it down IMO Same here. As a kid your mates were never wrong and the teacher was always wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought that was quite good I didn't like the school metaphor, let it down IMO Well place your own little metaphor in there instead and you get the same outcome People jumping in to defend Marv over Pardew, doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought that was quite good I didn't like the school metaphor, let it down IMO Well place your own little metaphor in there instead and you get the same outcome People jumping in to defend Marv over Pardew, doesn't make sense. Quite shocked you hold this viewpoint if I'm honest, Brett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I thought that was quite good I didn't like the school metaphor, let it down IMO Well place your own little metaphor in there instead and you get the same outcome People jumping in to defend Marv over Pardew, doesn't make sense. One's a cunt, one's a talented footballer being mis-managed. Makes perfect sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Brett was right behind Gullit when he withdrew Robert Lee's squad number and sent him off with the kids. Manager knows best. Good grief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think if any player of any club gets made to train with the reserves/youth side, you have to accept the managers viewpoint as you don't know the ins and outs of it all. It's easier to justify things when they are in the spotlight and you get an idea of why they have been put there but nothing has really been made clear with this one. This literally makes no sense. Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened. You don't start calling the teacher when he has no reputation for constantly putting people in detention? Not like Pardew has a habit of fall outs and puts players in the reserves often. I'm just saying i'm sure Pardew has his reasons to why Marv has been placed there and until/if things become more clear, you can't really defend Marv even though we all like him. Why do we have to accept Pardew's right and not Marveaux since we don't know the story? Marveaux might have been punished for disagreeing with Pardew's football philosophy or lack of it, in which case I'd be on his side. I'm not saying Pardew is right, but he's in charge, accept it and move on until things become more clear. Jumping in to defend Marv and have pops at Pardew seem strange when it's not like Pardew has a habit of falling out with players and doing this. I'm sure he has his reasons to why he feels Marv shouldn't be training with the first team anymore. And this isn't just Pardew, i'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I felt Adebayor was being harshly treated by AVB for example because he has a reputation for being a bellend and trying to stamp down his authority and freezes players out. At Newcastle Pardew has never really did that bar Ranger unless i've missed something. I don't know if Pardew or Marv is in the right but i can accept the decision and move on until things become more clearer rather than taking cheap shots at either of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Pardew sees ins and outs everyday therefore his selection for team and tactics is acceptable bc he's the manager and we must accept his insight. No. No. Never Brett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I actually wanted Marv to be the innocent party but after all these comments, hope he's the guilty one now Punched Ben Arfa in the face and called him a fat bastard, if that was the case...the majority will then still think Pardew is in the wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I actually wanted Marv to be the innocent party but after all these comments, hope he's the guilty one now Punched Ben Arfa in the face and called him a fat b******, if that was the case...the majority will then still think Pardew is in the wrong I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to work out whats gone on. The likelihood is that both HBA and Marv have voiced concerns to Pardew after becoming the scapegoats for the managers recent inadequacies. The managers pathetic response is to tell HBA to find another club in the Summer and told Marv to go and rot in the reserves. Even if that isn't what's happened, Pardew is still an uber cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I actually wanted Marv to be the innocent party but after all these comments, hope he's the guilty one now Punched Ben Arfa in the face and called him a fat bastard, if that was the case...the majority will then still think Pardew is in the wrong If Marv punched Ben Arfa in the face and called him a fat cunt I'd be inclined to blame Pards tbh Brett. As you say we don't know the story. Pards might have whispered in Marveaux's ear that Ben Arfa pinched his slice of cake in the canteen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think if any player of any club gets made to train with the reserves/youth side, you have to accept the managers viewpoint as you don't know the ins and outs of it all. It's easier to justify things when they are in the spotlight and you get an idea of why they have been put there but nothing has really been made clear with this one. This literally makes no sense. Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened. You don't start calling the teacher when he has no reputation for constantly putting people in detention? Not like Pardew has a habit of fall outs and puts players in the reserves often. I'm just saying i'm sure Pardew has his reasons to why Marv has been placed there and until/if things become more clear, you can't really defend Marv even though we all like him. Why do we have to accept Pardew's right and not Marveaux since we don't know the story? Marveaux might have been punished for disagreeing with Pardew's football philosophy or lack of it, in which case I'd be on his side. I'm not saying Pardew is right, but he's in charge, accept it and move on until things become more clear. Jumping in to defend Marv and have pops at Pardew seem strange when it's not like Pardew has a habit of falling out with players and doing this. I'm sure he has his reasons to why he feels Marv shouldn't be training with the first team anymore. And this isn't just Pardew, i'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego. You what? Supporting the judgement of Pardew when it comes to players, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think if any player of any club gets made to train with the reserves/youth side, you have to accept the managers viewpoint as you don't know the ins and outs of it all. It's easier to justify things when they are in the spotlight and you get an idea of why they have been put there but nothing has really been made clear with this one. This literally makes no sense. Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened. You don't start calling the teacher when he has no reputation for constantly putting people in detention? Not like Pardew has a habit of fall outs and puts players in the reserves often. I'm just saying i'm sure Pardew has his reasons to why Marv has been placed there and until/if things become more clear, you can't really defend Marv even though we all like him. Why do we have to accept Pardew's right and not Marveaux since we don't know the story? Marveaux might have been punished for disagreeing with Pardew's football philosophy or lack of it, in which case I'd be on his side. I'm not saying Pardew is right, but he's in charge, accept it and move on until things become more clear. Jumping in to defend Marv and have pops at Pardew seem strange when it's not like Pardew has a habit of falling out with players and doing this. I'm sure he has his reasons to why he feels Marv shouldn't be training with the first team anymore. And this isn't just Pardew, i'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego. You what? Supporting the judgement of Pardew when it comes to players, man. Who has he put in the reserves? I think Pardew has always seemed to have a strong dressing room. Barton was made to play there for his twitter outbursts, Ranger often made to train alone, can't really think of others. He had a fall out with Colo but they sorted it out amongst themselves and no action was taken. Since being here, i don't think Pardew has been too hard on players. If anything he's probably too soft with them and gives them a free reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 People still defending Pardew, unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Alarmingly incorrect. And I'm not sure what's so funny SanToon, if an average player is going to pull on a Newcastle shirt the least we can hope for is a bit of effort. This lad has blatantly got attitude problems. Lost cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Alarmingly incorrect. And I'm not sure what's so funny SanToon, if an average player is going to pull on a Newcastle shirt the least we can hope for is a bit of effort. This lad has blatantly got attitude problems. Lost cause. Your avatar makes that very ironic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Alarmingly incorrect. And I'm not sure what's so funny SanToon, if an average player is going to pull on a Newcastle shirt the least we can hope for is a bit of effort. This lad has blatantly got attitude problems. Lost cause. Look at the best number tens in the world and tell me how often they track back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Maybe Marveaux has had a good go at Pardew and said pretty much what a lot of the fans have said about him being useless and Pardew's ex-communicated him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Alarmingly incorrect. And I'm not sure what's so funny SanToon, if an average player is going to pull on a Newcastle shirt the least we can hope for is a bit of effort. This lad has blatantly got attitude problems. Lost cause. Look at the best number tens in the world and tell me how often they track back I assume the best number tens in the world can be cut a little bit more slack than Sylvain Marveaux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Poor man-management or not, it was clear to anyone watching the Spurs game that his effort when he came on with fresh legs was an absolute joke. Doesn't have the talent to counteract his work rate. Needs to be part of the summer clearout. Work rate doesn't matter at all for an attacking midfielder unless you are Jose Mourinho Alarmingly incorrect. And I'm not sure what's so funny SanToon, if an average player is going to pull on a Newcastle shirt the least we can hope for is a bit of effort. This lad has blatantly got attitude problems. Lost cause. Look at the best number tens in the world and tell me how often they track back I assume the best number tens in the world can be cut a little bit more slack than Sylvain Marveaux. Not when Marveaux is our only decent creative player at the moment, and anyway when you have two defensive midfielders playing you don't need a third Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Some on here are starting to sound like Sunderland fans. 11 cattermoles please we nerd that work rate. I thought Marveux looked interested when he came on personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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