KaKa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 On the other hand, it's hard to succeed playing players who don't look good in training and don't show desire. I'm not saying this is Marv, but in theory. So why is Shola being played? I have heard he's apparently Pele in training, but I'm calling horse dung on that claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Wasn't on about that. I marked out the falling out part. He certainly have a history for it. The way he keeps blaming the players, and keep out the good ones from the starting eleven, I'm not sure the dressing room is all that strong. Surely they've called him out on the bullshitter he is by now. Who has he fell out with then? I've named a few i can think of. Obviously every manager will have disagreements with players but don't think Pardew has a reputation here for arguing with players. He's kept majority of players in check and hasn't resorted to this kind of thing often, so i'm sure the decision wasn't taken lightly. That West Ham article in the Daily Mail that have been mentioned before is pretty telling. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-421908/Pardew-lost-dressing-room.html Pardew told them that he was already a millionaire and didn't need to work, but told the players that they "earned £30,000 a week and were only in it for the money". He meant that he was only in football because he loved the game, but his comments were misinterpreted and taken by some of the influential players as a sign of arrogance. When Alan Pardew left West Ham's players scratching their heads before they boarded the team bus to Bolton last Friday, some of the squad began to openly question how much longer he could remain in charge of the club. They were stunned when he announced before training that the inexperienced left-back George McCartney and rookie defender James Collins would be marking Bolton's muscular strikeforce of El Hadji Diouf and Kevin Davies, their fate was sealed before they even arrived at the Reebok. So many similarities in that article compared to today, it's scary. When you call on the daily fail to back you up, you know you're scrapping that bottom of the barrell. Diouf...that muscular striker Harry Redknapp is known for his man management but you could look back through his clubs for bust ups after he dropped Boswinga from QPR then claim he's done this before and has history for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 His creativity is what kept us up last season! I kna He was a massive factor for us staying up last season and he and Cisse won us a few vital points. He also was by far our best player on the pitch when on form. He's not a great footballer by any means, he has far too many negatives to his game for that, but he can bring something that we sorely lack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody is expecting him to set matches alight but displaying a basic level of effort would be nice. Realise we are desperate for some creativity in the team but it shouldn't mean there is a ban on questioning the attitude of our 'flair players'. Wanting to see players mildly interested in playing for the club doesn't equate to spunking over the thought of 11 Cattermoles raging about the pitch. Bimpy, to answer your bizzare Shola questioning, I don't want him in the team any more than I want Marveaux in the team. He may have influenced my username but I'm pretty sure, for example, that WarrenBartonCentrePartin isn't in favour of the the exhumation and signing of our former fullback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 On the other hand, it's hard to succeed playing players who don't look good in training and don't show desire. I'm not saying this is Marv, but in theory. It doesn't matter how good any player looks in training, as long as they are training and are in shape why would it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 His creativity is what kept us up last season! I kna He was a massive factor for us staying up last season and he and Cisse won us a few vital points. He also was by far our best player on the pitch when on form. He's not a great footballer by any means, he has far too many negatives to his game for that, but he can bring something that we sorely lack. Colo came back from injury just at the right time and really give us some confidence at the back after some heavy defeats. I thought he was vital in the survival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Don't call me out I have a lot of affection for Marv, i'm one of those posters where 'he gets better everytime he doesn't play' If we are picking on usernames though...SANTOoN... Just wait till a few years down the line and somebody is laughing at you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 And how much of this is down to management? How many creative players have regressed under this clown? Or needlessly benched? Cabaye is the only one who bucked that trend, and Pardew did his best to flog him every time he was on camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 On the other hand, it's hard to succeed playing players who don't look good in training and don't show desire. I'm not saying this is Marv, but in theory. Agreed. So leaving him out match day squads makes sense. Using him, doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Our 'flair players' are having their careers ruined by the man who's supposed to be managing them. This was Marveaux's 3rd pointless cameo appearance this month, coming on with 20 minutes to go when we were 2-0 down. The other 2 were against Chelsea (3-0 down with 5 minutes to go) and Sunderland (2-0 down with 15 minutes to go). You have to go back to September for his last league appearance before the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Our 'flair players' are having their careers ruined by the man who's supposed to be managing them. This was Marveaux's 3rd pointless cameo appearance this month, coming on with 20 minutes to go when we were 2-0 down. The other 2 were against Chelsea (3-0 down with 5 minutes to go) and Sunderland (2-0 down with 15 minutes to go). You have to go back to September for his last league appearance before the mackems. I seen him once in a reserve match and he was s**** there as well, like. Would help his cause if he stood out head and shoulders in that league but it was just half arsed. Suppose that mixes in with his general attitude though. Even Jonas looked a class above in the reserves when i seen him before he left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 What is his "general attitude" like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Life and limb, we want life and limb and all the running Never mind being able to control a ball and pass it properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 What is his "general attitude" like? Well on the pitch it's been fairly poor from what i've seen in a black and white shirt. Doesn't mean to say i don't like him, think it's more his style of play to be that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody is expecting him to set matches alight but displaying a basic level of effort would be nice. Realise we are desperate for some creativity in the team but it shouldn't mean there is a ban on questioning the attitude of our 'flair players'. Wanting to see players mildly interested in playing for the club doesn't equate to spunking over the thought of 11 Cattermoles raging about the pitch. Bimpy, to answer your bizzare Shola questioning, I don't want him in the team any more than I want Marveaux in the team. He may have influenced my username but I'm pretty sure, for example, that WarrenBartonCentrePartin isn't in favour of the the exhumation and signing of our former fullback. Foluwashola, my real gripe with this Marveaux thing is that I don't see how he shows any less interest than Shola, who continues to be praised to the hilt and given 90 mins way too often. I have no doubt that if Marv was given the same opportunities as Shola, he would have a greater impact on our play. No question. Because Shola has no impact whatsoever, and hasn't for a while. This is ultimately what bothers me, and I hate to get so annoyed with Shola because he isn't picking himself, but then the frustration just spills over. I cannot understand Pardew in this instance, because what he is doing isn't fair and doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody is expecting him to set matches alight but displaying a basic level of effort would be nice. Realise we are desperate for some creativity in the team but it shouldn't mean there is a ban on questioning the attitude of our 'flair players'. Wanting to see players mildly interested in playing for the club doesn't equate to spunking over the thought of 11 Cattermoles raging about the pitch. Bimpy, to answer your bizzare Shola questioning, I don't want him in the team any more than I want Marveaux in the team. He may have influenced my username but I'm pretty sure, for example, that WarrenBartonCentrePartin isn't in favour of the the exhumation and signing of our former fullback. It wasn't bizarre, i asked you your opinion on Shola and you never gave it, you now have. That's it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm convinced, we'll just depend on Tiote, Gouffran and Anita to set the goals up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If his attitude is as bad as some are saying here, it makes you wonder how our much feted scouting system failed to pick this up. Unless of course we just signed him anyway hoping to make some money. Or the manager hasn't managed him very well. Dunno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Nobody's at fault really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 To think Liverpool missed out on him to us, then spunked an 8-figure sum on Downing instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If his attitude is as bad as some are saying here, it makes you wonder how our much feted scouting system failed to pick this up. Unless of course we just signed him anyway hoping to make some money. Or the manager hasn't managed him very well. Dunno. Apart from the dross some people post on here we have nothing to suggest he has an attitude tbh. He doesn't run around like an idiot so he a bad attitude is the height of stupidity tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've posted this a few times now but I'm certain that before we signed him, one of the fan-made compilation videos was dedicated to showing his closing down and work off the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 ATTITUDE Again, despite his talent and ability, Marveaux could improve loads on this field. In a 4-3-3 system such as Rennes’ and in most modern tactical set-ups (In which full backs are called to play a major attacking role) defensive work is a necessity for the attacking flankers. Not only failing to notice the wing-rushes of his left-back counterpart, Marveaux has often been blamed for failing to accomplish his defensive work, whether it is an initial pressing or returns to cover the flank. As a result, great moments of solitude for the men standing behind him, such a Carlos Bocanegra, often let alone to deal with two or three opponents last season, without a hope to see his team-mate rush to his rescue. Rennes Manager Frederic Antonetti himself admitted that Marveaux’ lack of work was acceptable as long as his attacking input remained as impressive as it was last season. Many coaches could rightfully consider some of Marveaux’ attitudes on the pitch as disrespectful to the team effort. As a graduate of Rennes Academy having gone through the youth teams at the club, Marveaux may well be receiving too much indulgence for his ineffective defensive work. His self-confidence is high, maybe a bit too high, and the wise words of a manager able to make him question himself and his work for the team could be a massive boost to his career. He is able to do the work however, and even started his Ligue 1 career covering for injuries at left back. Little doubt he will give more in that field if a starting eleven position was to be at stake. Whoops. Obviously a total mystery to our lot at the time of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I've posted this a few times now but I'm certain that before we signed him, one of the fan-made compilation videos was dedicated to showing his closing down and work off the ball. And he was good at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 User Actions Follow Daniel White @danwhitepr Sylvain Marveaux was sticking to his strict diet by enjoying a Subway at 3am today. Healthy. #nufc pic.twitter.com/KmWQ5H25ee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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