madras Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Mr mojo....to recap.. For example, year 1, lose 10mill Year 2 lose 10mill Year 3 lose 10mill Year 4 profit 5mill Year 5 why haven't we spent that 5mill ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Mr mojo....to recap.. For example, year 1, lose 10mill Year 2 lose 10mill Year 3 lose 10mill Year 4 profit 5mill Year 5 why haven't we spent that 5mill ? cheers teach wasn't one of the published aims to get the club breaking even? it's very clear what you're getting at but what it implies is that the club can/should only outlay a net financial loss on transfer fees once (a) MA has recouped all the money he's spent over and above the purchase price and (b) there is little or no chance that the club will once again make a loss in any future season within a reasonable time frame that's not living in the real world man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Mr mojo....to recap.. For example, year 1, lose 10mill Year 2 lose 10mill Year 3 lose 10mill Year 4 profit 5mill Year 5 why haven't we spent that 5mill ? cheers teach wasn't one of the published aims to get the club breaking even? it's very clear what you're getting at but what it implies is that the club can/should only outlay a net financial loss on transfer fees once (a) MA has recouped all the money he's spent over and above the purchase price and (b) there is little or no chance that the club will once again make a loss in any future season within a reasonable time frame that's not living in the real world man You have to remember that MA is a business man, and business men don't look at 12 month periods. If we've made losses in 5 successive years, one year with a windfall won't automatically mean that we're now breaking even or making profits, it simply means we got 'lucky'one year with a windfall. This money may go back to MA, it may go on infrastructure such as the training ground or support staff, it may go to rewarding our better performes with a better contract, it may go on new players or it may sit in a bank waiting for the right time to spend it / defend against a bad year. I'm pretty sure that once we are breaking even before player trading/ammortisation then all recouped fees will go back into the squad over time, but anyone thinking the £35m + 5m + 6m received for AC, KN and JE would go into the first team this year is living in cloud cuckoo land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'm pretty sure that once we are breaking even before player trading/ammortisation then all recouped fees will go back into the squad over time, but anyone thinking the £35m + 5m + 6m received for AC, KN and JE would go into the first team this year is living in cloud cuckoo land. always comes down to this in the end doesn't it, all or nothing? as i said earlier on for me loosening the purse strings could mean spending 2m net in january to strengthen the squad to push on into europe this season (i.e. pay a fee for someone coming out of contract or whatever instead of waiting 'til July) i don't see that's living in cloud cuckoo land at all, as you said yourself businessmen should be looking beyond 12 month periods so to use madras's figures from the 5m "profit" you could invest 1m in new players on the assumption that recouping your monies can be a gradual process that goes hand in hand with team building and success on the pitch - 4m paid off against the losses with modest investment might see you make 10m "profit" the following season partially as a result of the 1m spent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'm pretty sure that once we are breaking even before player trading/ammortisation then all recouped fees will go back into the squad over time, but anyone thinking the £35m + 5m + 6m received for AC, KN and JE would go into the first team this year is living in cloud cuckoo land. always comes down to this in the end doesn't it, all or nothing? as i said earlier on for me loosening the purse strings could mean spending 2m net in january to strengthen the squad to push on into europe this season (i.e. pay a fee for someone coming out of contract or whatever instead of waiting 'til July) i don't see that's living in cloud cuckoo land at all, as you said yourself businessmen should be looking beyond 12 month periods so to use madras's figures from the 5m "profit" you could invest 1m in new players on the assumption that recouping your monies can be a gradual process that goes hand in hand with team building and success on the pitch - 4m paid off against the losses with modest investment might see you make 10m "profit" the following season partially as a result of the 1m spent Sorry should have been an 'all' in there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 All is forgiven. Onwards and upwards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hats off to Ashley as well. He's learned quickly and now looks like one of the best owners in the league. http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WeeBey.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Wonder where that fucking tosspot is at the moment. Bet he can't wait to get on and WUM about how good a decision this is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Wonder where that fucking tosspot is at the moment. Bet he can't wait to get on and WUM about how good a decision this is. He's having "sleeps". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 That gif is brilliant btw. My exact reaction when I seen that post! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I bet this cunt had no mates at school, was ripped to pieces and it was then that he decided to become a control freak. Why bring such a shit feeling to the club when we're having the best run in years. This four week delay until our next game is cowardly and weak, but so predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I bet this cunt had no mates at school, was ripped to pieces and it was then that he decided to become a control freak. Why bring such a shit feeling to the club when we're having the best run in years. This four week delay until our next game is cowardly and weak, but so predictable. thought you were on about CT at first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I bet this c*** had no mates at school, was ripped to pieces and it was then that he decided to become a control freak. Why bring such a s*** feeling to the club when we're having the best run in years. This four week delay until our next game is cowardly and weak, but so predictable. thought you were on about CT at first I kind of realised that just after I'd posted it but was happy to leave the momentary confusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 All is forgiven. Onwards and upwards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 The other way to look at it is to view the four week break as a chance to organise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Far worse than Shepherd, would take Fat Fred back in a heartbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonUltra Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 My opinions are slowly changing in some respects. I thought he was taking us for a ride and intended on selling up. Now, im not so sure he is. Judging by the premier league standards now, we will be - if he stays put, in one of the best positions finacially for a club outside of a european competition in the next few seasons, maybe even before then. I totally agree with the way he is controlling the club financially but at first i didnt trust him at all. Now however, i think im starting to. His way of communication is pathetic, the way he is using SJP as a hoarding for SD is crucifying to see and his inability to delve deep into his billionaire coffers is ridiculous but in the same sentance his buying power for quality players means he doesnt have to spend big. If it wasn't for him I do believe we'd be bordering on f***ed! (from a financial point of view). We will be the blue-print for the premier league, an example that other clubs will eventually have to follow if new restrictions come in. We will already be in place and operating. How Citeh manage to spend more than they turnover considering no other business would be allowed to do this without the capital is crucial to how the premier league will eventually become...in fact that applies to nearly every club in the top flight. They got the £400m stadium sponsorship, the owner of Etihad just happens to be the brother of Shiek....funny how the footballing world works. Tell me how Shiek will ever sell Citeh? It's an impossibility unless some other oil tycoon is willing to buy him out. (Maybe his son). The FA overlooked the Etihad as a genuine sponsorship turning a blind eye to the teams that rake them in a vast fortune but punish the teams who slope into debt or administration for no fault of their own, simply a down turn in supporters being outpriced or fixtures being televised on Murdocks enterprise. This in turn meaning people go down their local to watch the games as opposed to funding the club. The FA also rakes in a vault full of money from these TV deals. Thats why im slowly turning to the point where I can say Ashley is developing us as a 'Club', no longer a debt ridden business which will be self sufficient, providing no relegations in the near future. He has to keep hold of what matters though to make this work. The players, and most importantly the fans who pay our money to support his project. Long may it continue. I take this post back.... TOWTAWL FACKING CACKNEY SCAM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I don't think everything Ashley has done is wrong, it's just that he's primarily a "stack em high, sell em cheap" tacky businessman and will apply those principles to whatever he does. The renaming thing is for me the worst thing he's done so far - I generally agree with his principles on how the club should be run but some things should be mor important than finance. Obviously he won't understand that, that's the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I generally agree with his principles on how the club should be run but some things should be mor important than finance. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Far worse than Shepherd, would take Fat Fred back in a heartbeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Far worse than Shepherd, would take Fat Fred back in a heartbeat. jesus christ, 3rd in the fucking league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 The other way to look at it is to view the four week break as a chance to organise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I remember reading an article that the fat c*** used to buy KFC or something then say something like: 'Here mate, do you want some KFC Chicken?' 'Yeah, i do. Thanks, you're a real pal.' Then after his friend ate it... 'Okay so thats £1 for the chicken'. Tight c*** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Far worse than Shepherd, would take Fat Fred back in a heartbeat. jesus christ, 3rd in the fucking league Season finished now like? That position was based on positivity which has now gone as far as I can see. I'd rather Mike took his loan back and fucked off, accept whatever league that might leave us and at least be able to have some pride in the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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