Dave Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Being fair to Chelsea btw, in defence and midfield they barely misplaced a pass all afternoon. We only got the ball back through good tackling or their failed attempts in the final third. For all their 'crisis' etc they still looked a cut above most other teams (including us) in that respect. it's like their crisis last season under Ancelotti, from december to march they looked shit scared whenever a team got at them or they experienced bad luck or something to make their heads drop. if we'd had our strongest side with tiote, jonas etc i think we could've ruffled their feathers a bit more and got something. in fact if Luiz had gone i think their heads would've dropped and we'd see all their problems suddenly exposed. That's why it was such a key moment, even so early in the game. Pardew clearly felt that way as well, looking at his post-match comments. I'll be over this result in no time, but I'm fucking worried about the injuries. Potentially devastating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 What is it, 2 league titles until Abramovich turned up? 1 league title, 3 FA cups, 2 League cups, 2 UEFA Cup Winner's Cups. In contrast to West Ham's haul of 3 FA Cups, 1 UEFA Cup Winner's Cup. Average historical crowd more than 7,000 bigger than west ham's puny amount, and a few hundred more than even ours. Whatever way you look at it, Chelsea were a bigger club than West Ham before Abramovich came along. And it's not like you can simply discount what has happened since either. Brilliant attendances like 7000 v Southampton in the early 90s, and regularly getting sub-10k attendances throughout the 80s. it's specifically shite like this that prompted me to bring it up, no offence btw. for the sole reason that it reminds me so much of those cretins who bang on about our low attendances in the late 80s, early 90s pre-keegan. tiresome nonsense. In what way is it shite? Since I was born their attendances have been absolutely hopeless and much worse than ours. They were by no means a massive club when Abramovich took them over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Didn't realise how pert Ivanovic's arse was until today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 I'm mortal and just in but what an absolutely bent cunt the ref was. If that wasn't a red I don't know what is. Still Ronny will be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Krul 9 - We've come to expect excellence as standard. Simpson 5 - Occasional decent moments, but radiates fear whenever the ball goes near him. Taylor 7.5 - Has really matured as a defender over the last year. Colo 7 - Decent display. Raylor 4 - Not his fault, but continually gets found out for a lack of pace and strength. Obertan 3 - I'm really disappointed in him, because I thought he'd be a good buy. Seemed to bottle one or two challenges, as per. Cabaye 7 - Did well under pressure. Guthrie 7 - Occasionally got found out, but always played with spirit and no little skill. Lovenkrands 6 - Surprisingly, had a few threatening moments. Ba 7 - Decent all round performance. I just wish he was a bit quicker. Ben Arfa 4.5 - Seemed to be playing in his own world. A game to forget. Shola 7.5 - Had an excellent impact. Perch 7 - Did well, considering he was coming into a difficult situation. The most convincing performance I've seen from him. Sammy 6 - Not everything came off, but the talent and drive is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Chelsea didn't have as good a record as Spurs or Arsenal, but it was often said pre-Abramovich that they had the potential to be really big. They are by far the biggest club in South and West London, and could establish a dominant position in those areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 We're first on MOTD. Magedia strikes again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 i'm very surprised obertan seems to be getting more stick than lovenkrands. obertan at least stretched them a little in the second half, loven was woeful throughout save for a 30yd run with the ball in the first half. he gave taylor no support whatsoever and was the main reason sturridge was allowed to rampage whenever he wanted. playing him was a massive fuck up by pardew. the game in general, they should've been down to 10 within 5mins, they looked the more fluid but we still created chances (i don't think i've ever seen the woodwork hit so much in one game). given the chances we had we could, at a push say we maybe should've got a draw but if either team was going to win it wouldn't have been us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Decent effort. Unfair result. Ref's a cunt. Obertan's shite. No CBs? We're fucked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 i'm very surprised obertan seems to be getting more stick than lovenkrands. obertan at least stretched them a little in the second half, loven was woeful throughout save for a 30yd run with the ball in the first half. he gave taylor no support whatsoever and was the main reason sturridge was allowed to rampage whenever he wanted. playing him was a massive fuck up by pardew. I agree Loven was crap defensively but he also created a chance for Ba and i'd probably say was our most creative player. Obertan on the other hand had a nightmare performance, him and Raylor stand apart from the rest as being awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Lovelyhands looked semi-respectable going forward at times. Alien head looked atrocious at both ends of the pitch. Hopefully he can ruin Norwich with his pace like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Not reading back through all this Has it been mentioned what that cunt said about not sending him off? Pards on NUFCTV said he was told my Deane that Ba was not in control of the ball so therefore it was only a yellow.. is this cunt making up rules? Demba was going to run onto it for a first time strike, since when did you have to be in control of the ball? Surely you just have to be able to beat the keeper to the ball and no other defender is close enough to get to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 i'm very surprised obertan seems to be getting more stick than lovenkrands. obertan at least stretched them a little in the second half, loven was woeful throughout save for a 30yd run with the ball in the first half. he gave taylor no support whatsoever and was the main reason sturridge was allowed to rampage whenever he wanted. playing him was a massive f*** up by pardew. I agree Loven was crap defensively but he also created a chance for Ba and i'd probably say was our most creative player. Obertan on the other hand had a nightmare performance, him and Raylor stand apart from the rest as being awful. got to disagree and i've got a spare specsavers voucher if you think he was our most creative player. raylor was poor but made to look worse by being given no support at all, obertan fucked some things up because he had the ball, loven didn't even do that with raylor getting into was should've been lovens more often than the dane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 i'm very surprised obertan seems to be getting more stick than lovenkrands. obertan at least stretched them a little in the second half, loven was woeful throughout save for a 30yd run with the ball in the first half. he gave taylor no support whatsoever and was the main reason sturridge was allowed to rampage whenever he wanted. playing him was a massive f*** up by pardew. I agree Loven was crap defensively but he also created a chance for Ba and i'd probably say was our most creative player. Obertan on the other hand had a nightmare performance, him and Raylor stand apart from the rest as being awful. got to disagree and i've got a spare specsavers voucher if you think he was our most creative player. raylor was poor but made to look worse by being given no support at all, obertan fucked some things up because he had the ball, loven didn't even do that with raylor getting into was should've been lovens more often than the dane. as i said loven was poor defensively - i called it a "dereliction of duty" in my ratings. but going forward he was alright and along with guthrie our most creative player, good cross for ba, a few good through balls including the one for the luiz incident, and a couple of good dribbles. Now what did Obertan do in comparison? nothing. Ben Arfa? very little. Cabaye? A few floated passes out wide but he was more busy defending. full backs? shite going forward. I'm no Lovenkrands fan, and it was hardly a stellar performance (gave him a 6.5 myself) but he was one of our better attacking players. any idea that Obertan was better is laughable, frankly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Being fair to Chelsea btw, in defence and midfield they barely misplaced a pass all afternoon. We only got the ball back through good tackling or their failed attempts in the final third. For all their 'crisis' etc they still looked a cut above most other teams (including us) in that respect. They do the basics right! Least I would expect from that collective heap of primadonnas. They used to do much more than the basics though. Not these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Luiz should have walked., Other than that drunk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Not reading back through all this Has it been mentioned what that cunt said about not sending him off? Pards on NUFCTV said he was told my Deane that Ba was not in control of the ball so therefore it was only a yellow.. is this cunt making up rules? Demba was going to run onto it for a first time strike, since when did you have to be in control of the ball? Surely you just have to be able to beat the keeper to the ball and no other defender is close enough to get to you? Yeah, I can only think that the ref thought that Cech would get to the ball before Ba. It seems a clear mistake, but maybe from the angle that the ref was looking, it was difficult to judge. The benefit of his doubt went to the defender, but maybe if it had been later in the match he'd have been a bit braver. Trying to be Mr Reasonable here. Maybe the law needs clarifying, because regardless of whether Ba would have got there first, I'm quite sure that Luiz's mindset was that he was through on goal and had to be stopped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 ... is this cunt making up rules? Basically, yes Stelling actually had the rule book out on Soccer Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Not reading back through all this Has it been mentioned what that cunt said about not sending him off? Pards on NUFCTV said he was told my Deane that Ba was not in control of the ball so therefore it was only a yellow.. is this cunt making up rules? Demba was going to run onto it for a first time strike, since when did you have to be in control of the ball? Surely you just have to be able to beat the keeper to the ball and no other defender is close enough to get to you? Yeah, I can only think that the ref thought that Cech would get to the ball before Ba. It seems a clear mistake, but maybe from the angle that the ref was looking, it was difficult to judge. The benefit of his doubt went to the defender, but maybe if it had been later in the match he'd have been a bit braver. Trying to be Mr Reasonable here. Maybe the law needs clarifying, because regardless of whether Ba would have got there first, I'm quite sure that Luiz's mindset was that he was through on goal and had to be stopped. think he simply bottled it because it happened so early in the match. no other real reason despite what excuse he might dream up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Not reading back through all this Has it been mentioned what that cunt said about not sending him off? Pards on NUFCTV said he was told my Deane that Ba was not in control of the ball so therefore it was only a yellow.. is this cunt making up rules? Demba was going to run onto it for a first time strike, since when did you have to be in control of the ball? Surely you just have to be able to beat the keeper to the ball and no other defender is close enough to get to you? Yeah, I can only think that the ref thought that Cech would get to the ball before Ba. It seems a clear mistake, but maybe from the angle that the ref was looking, it was difficult to judge. The benefit of his doubt went to the defender, but maybe if it had been later in the match he'd have been a bit braver. Trying to be Mr Reasonable here. Maybe the law needs clarifying, because regardless of whether Ba would have got there first, I'm quite sure that Luiz's mindset was that he was through on goal and had to be stopped. Luiz made sure it wasn't a penalty as well. In any case, if the referee wasn't sure because of his angle etc he should have consulted the linesman who was staring right at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Pards on NUFCTV said he was told my Deane that Ba was not in control of the ball so therefore it was only a yellow.. is this c*** making up rules? Demba was going to run onto it for a first time strike, since when did you have to be in control of the ball? Surely you just have to be able to beat the keeper to the ball and no other defender is close enough to get to you? Exactly. It doesn't count because he wasn't controlling the ball and yet he was running onto a through ball with a view to striking it beyond hte keeper? Absolute fucking bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Well the ref has stated it was not a red because Ba did not have the ball under control, nothing about the keeper going to get to it. http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6869/rulesy.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If he thought there was no chance of Ba getting the ball then why would he even card Louise at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 He's talking bollocks and he knows it the ball is rolled into Ba's path. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 And for what it's worth in that situation he could have rounded Cech, gained a penalty and had him sent off. It's hardly rare in those circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now