Thumbheed Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, huss9 said: agreed. when a striker wants to keep himself onside he makes sure he's just in front or in line of the defender to make sure. just because he's then leaning forward getting ready to sprint beyond the defender shouldnt make him offside. Yeh seems crazy that the rules literally dictate that a forward should be behind the defender when the ball is being played - basically translates as 'the defender must have a headstart' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Big Dermot thinks it should have been a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I can't let any mention of Dermot Gallagher pass without posting his real accent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 The VAR was set up to fix any obvious errors I think, or seem to remember being said. They are now basically re-refereeing games from a TV monitor. It was great to see Michael Oliver stick to his decision to award a penalty to Brentford, even though it was probably a wrong decision in my opinion, and I hope that starts to set a new standard that ref's do not have to bow down to the superiority of Lee Mason or whoever is doing VAR. Last week was probably the darkest of times for incorrect decisions, no coincidence that both of ours were at the hands of Mason, he was an awful referee and is continuing that as a terrible VAR. Off side has changed over the years, I can remember a time that to be off side there had to be clear daylight between the attacker and the defender, that was very clear. No trigonometry or sun dial to judge the shadows required for that, just eye sight. Why can it not just be that simple again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 World Cup, Euro, Woman Euro, CL, erc all uses VAR. But they don't have the same problem (at least not as frequent). Or maybe the standard of referee in PL far below of the other world class competition? I don't believe that to be the problem either. So, what is the problem? Corruption is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosstef Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Yeah, that quote is still fake though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I'd love to know what the intention of this supposed corruption is. If it's all about getting one over on NUFC, do they just not invite Michael Oliver to the meetings? Leave him off the email distribution list, like they're having a whip round for his birthday? Maybe that's why he stuck with his decision on Saturday, because he's missed all the secret gatherings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Love the idea that refs are "told to give a certain amount of throw ins" Halsey towards the end of a game just desperately awarding throws at random when the ball is blasted over the bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Var needs abolished, it’s ruining the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Big Dermot thinks it should have been a penalty. Yeah, saw that, no playing advantage then or sending off for deliberately stopping a goal scoring opportunity.?Mind you, he also thought Guita was getting to the ball ahead of Willock…… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 If you can't make a decision within 15 seconds, it's not a clear and obvious error and the original decision stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 The problems are largely driven by incompetence, but I do think there is an element of "protect the brand" to it. It can't be a coincidence these decisions largely favour the larger teams and it's probably because revenue's are driven by the biggest players and the best teams playing regularly at the top table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I doubt it’s anything more than internal bias tbh, there’s innumerable reasons why we would want teams we have no affiliation with to win or lose points, and it will obviously have an effect on how an official views an incident. It’s why I think having the officials in separate rooms voting on an outcome would be a lot fairer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) A 'conspiracy' doesn't really need to be explicit, just subtly implied and picked up on subconsciously. As an example, if the Premier League tell referees to 'protect the brand' they're not explicitly saying to bias certain teams and players, but it doesn't take a tin foil hat to see how that makes it more likely to result in a ref not sending off Van Dijk when they should, or giving a yellow for a robust tackle on Harry Kane when they shouldn't. The same applies with the way a player's reputation will influence decisions. We're not blind, if Joey Barton and Harry Kane both make the same tackle, we know what's more and less likely to happen. Edited September 5, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Defensive line playing the offside trap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 What brand are they protecting by disallowing a Newcastle goal vs Crystal Palace? Does ruling out the MacAllister goal yesterday protect the brand? "Come and watch our league, when a stunning goal is scored, we'll look for a pedantic way to disallow it" (presumably to protect Leicester City, then award a penalty against them five minutes later). That makes no sense whatsoever as an argument. I can't believe I'm defending the officials but the principle of Hanlon's Razor applies here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkeye Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 There are certain teams in the UK that I absolutely cannot stand, I have no logical reasoning for this but, I simply cannot stand them and I always wish bad luck upon them. (There are others where I hate them for very obvious reasons, mackems, Villa etc). You cannot tell me that I am the only one, therefore it follows that referees (inc VAR) have the same albeit for different teams and that "list" may change over time.... Some referees may even hate NUFC and without realising be prone to making - I won't say biased but, decisions that are less favourable.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Wullie said: What brand are they protecting by disallowing a Newcastle goal vs Crystal Palace? Does ruling out the MacAllister goal yesterday protect the brand? "Come and watch our league, when a stunning goal is scored, we'll look for a pedantic way to disallow it" (presumably to protect Leicester City, then award a penalty against them five minutes later). That makes no sense whatsoever as an argument. I can't believe I'm defending the officials but the principle of Hanlon's Razor applies here. Newcastle v Palace isn't the brand therefore it isn't at the forefront of promoting the brand, people will see it, but it will be in amongst all the other drivel. It probably won't be on the highlights videos for long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Also, if their is any conspiracy to protect the brand, they'd be moronic to just do it in favour of the brand clubs. It would be a helluva lot easier to prove. The point is they don't need to do that much. Just a few important moments over the whole season is enough. The important thing is that they're always positioned to make that decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Wullie said: What brand are they protecting by disallowing a Newcastle goal vs Crystal Palace? Does ruling out the MacAllister goal yesterday protect the brand? "Come and watch our league, when a stunning goal is scored, we'll look for a pedantic way to disallow it" (presumably to protect Leicester City, then award a penalty against them five minutes later). That makes no sense whatsoever as an argument. I can't believe I'm defending the officials but the principle of Hanlon's Razor applies here. 'Protect the brand' was just one example of how an instruction can be implied and result in bias, I wasn't suggesting that one example always applies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 3 hours ago, 54 said: Saw this yesterday and the ball looked so far over the line. Could cost the Hudds manager his job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Another example is that in upcoming games Newcastle are probably now more likely to get an experienced ref and the shit decisions we've had against us will be in the back of the mind of any ref or VAR and potentially play a part in their decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 In this case, incompetence is a far simpler explanation than conspiracy. However, you cant rule out bias from anyone's thought or actions, its supposedly programmed into us when it comes to important social issues, means its hardwired into a referee no matter how objective they think they are. If we cant escape bias in our thinking, its hard to see how referees remove. The irony (?) here is that if a referee makes a decision that a fanbase disagrees with (rightfully or wrongly), then the fanbase proceeds to batter the ref on social media, acting like bellends in some circumstances, i could then forgive some refs for not being able to remove their unconscious bias against that team. You call me worse than a cunt on twitter and threaten my family, i'm holding that grudge forever even if you pay me not to. Not saying bias played any part in the decisions this weekend, just pointing out how hard it is to be able to dismiss that in preference for a competence / conspiracy explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I don't think there's any corruption like. It's just complete incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I want Lee Mason to have to explain in a statement, why he made the decision he did and why he didn't give the onfield ref the benefit of all the same angles that he had access to. Don't just give us a generic apology, explain your actions and why you took them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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