Ronaldo Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Bit sad how his career's turning out, like. A lot could be said for many of our players my friend, its quite sad really. Yeah, I'm with you. Him, especially, though. He was the next big thing 6 or 7 years back. Now he's nearly 27, probably past his peak physically, playing for a side with no ambition and still demonstrating a questionable attitude and impaired judgment in the final third. He's going to go down as one of the most talented players to achieve nothing in the sport without drastic changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'd like to see our squad with a decent manager. Squad will look very different when this day rolls round, Bimps. Aye, a long long way off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 6 years is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Basically, he needs to go to reach anywhere near his peak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Can't think of a better team who would want/need him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Would love to see him at a good team with a decent manager, like Liverpool or Sunderland. Yeah be class that. I would be particularly honoured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Think he would link up well with Bardo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He was poor today it has to be said, almost cost us in the first few minutes by squandering possession too easily. I haven't lost faith though. I still believe in you Benny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He will always be poor when he receives the ball 18 yards from his own goal. If we attempted to play football by building from the back he may have a chance of being somewhat effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Waste of space in a Pardew team, our lack of attacking intent means hes completely doubled/trebled up on every time he attempts to go on a run and is having to come way too deep to collect the ball therefore when he does lose the ball its more costly. Add that on top of the fact I think he looks to have lost confidence due to being benched for so long and not in the greatest shape means hes as much use as a nuns snatch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Bit sad how his career's turning out, like. A lot could be said for many of our players my friend, its quite sad really. Yeah, I'm with you. Him, especially, though. He was the next big thing 6 or 7 years back. Now he's nearly 27, probably past his peak physically, playing for a side with no ambition and still demonstrating a questionable attitude and impaired judgment in the final third. He's going to go down as one of the most talented players to achieve nothing in the sport without drastic changes. Too late mate, even with drastic changes he won't reached the level he was supposed to be at. I think that could turn out to be a great lesson for young promising footballers. The more talent you have, the more you need to work. He really was the "real deal" back then, Hazard like imo, what a pity ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 What is his role exactly in this team? He holds onto the ball far too long, but when there is no forward movement either side it's difficult to work out what else he would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What is his role exactly in this team? He holds onto the ball far too long, but when there is no forward movement either side it's difficult to work out what else he would do. Can we say that for all our players then? No movement around each other therefore all our players are all shit like hba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What is his role exactly in this team? He holds onto the ball far too long, but when there is no forward movement either side it's difficult to work out what else he would do. Can we say that for all our players then? No movement around each other therefore all our players are all s*** like hba. Well yes that would generally apply to all attacking players, lack of movement affect their performance. The difference is most of our attacking players just pass it backwards or sideways which is why we have little attacking threat. HBA tries to do something, sees no movement, goes on a dribble of 2-3 players, and gets blame when it doesn't work out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What is his role exactly in this team? He holds onto the ball far too long, but when there is no forward movement either side it's difficult to work out what else he would do. Can we say that for all our players then? No movement around each other therefore all our players are all s*** like hba. Well yes that would generally apply to all attacking players, lack of movement affect their performance. The difference is most of our attacking players just pass it backwards or sideways which is why we have little attacking threat. HBA tries to do something, sees no movement, goes on a dribble of 2-3 players, and gets blame when it doesn't work out. This is what I'm talking about, like the sun shines out hatem's arse. Really? If hba has the ability to dribble past 2-3 oppositional players, which he has. Why the f*** can't he so skilfully turn, dribble near a team mate , yes there's 9 other outfield team mates he got and then release the ball to them? What's this? soon as hba gets the ball all 9 of his team mates runs like s*** away from him like they're scared because he stinks or something? Yeah sure we don't have great movement like other teams but there is this big fallacy that goes on when it comes to hba, like there is not a single man available to him when he has the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 What is his role exactly in this team? He holds onto the ball far too long, but when there is no forward movement either side it's difficult to work out what else he would do. Can we say that for all our players then? No movement around each other therefore all our players are all s*** like hba. Well yes that would generally apply to all attacking players, lack of movement affect their performance. The difference is most of our attacking players just pass it backwards or sideways which is why we have little attacking threat. HBA tries to do something, sees no movement, goes on a dribble of 2-3 players, and gets blame when it doesn't work out. This is what I'm talking about, like the sun shines out hatem's arse. Really? If hba has the ability to dribble past 2-3 oppositional players, which he has. Why the f*** can't he so skilfully turn, dribble near a team mate , yes there's 9 other outfield team mates he got and then release the ball to them? What's this? soon as hba gets the ball all 9 of his team mates runs like s*** away from him like they're scared because he stinks or something? Yeah sure we don't have great movement like other teams but there is this big fallacy that goes on when it comes to hba, like there is not a single man available to him when he has the ball. He doesn't like passing it sideways or backwards, that's the problem. He slid through a couple of real beauties yesterday, but unless a player is in a great position or on the move he'll just go it alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 He is constantly picking the ball up deep in our half, it might help him being an out and out attacking player if we gave him the ball a bit further up field like. Like the game at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 He's constantly reduced to having to win the ball to get it so deep and then having too much to do. If we're trying to play a more counter attacking team now he needs to be central where Sissoko was with Sissoko wide. He tends to get crowded out when he's played centrally when we're dominating games but on the counter he needs to be available to be passed to straight from a defensive situation and should be able to find space on the break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 still occasionally getting himself into decent positions but his shooting boots have gone off a bit. cut inside and got into a great position yesterday but piss poor shot at the end of it. been like that for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 It's a bit annoying. He shows brilliance to almost always manoeuvre a position to get a shot away but he seems to be lacking the composure with his shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 am i right in thinking his off the ball movement is utterly fucking shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 am i right in thinking his off the ball movement is utterly fucking shit? Hard to tell, most of our players off the ball movement is backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 am i right in thinking his off the ball movement is utterly fucking shit? Hard to tell, most of our players off the ball movement is backwards. i'm a massive fan of benny like but even at our recent best with cabs pulling the strings i can't recall him ever being the guy looking in behind for the pass, barely recall him doing much in the way of give & go's (the go part)... if he lays a pass off more often than not he's pretty static it was actually watching YT vids of cabella that it struck me i can hardly recall him ever having it in his game seems like it should work both ways, movement around him is woeful when he has the ball, as you say it's maybe even negative movement, but his is shite when others have the ball too, he's very static and always seems to want the ball at his feet before he'll move EDIT: when i say recent best i mean of course since cabs was at the club, rather than this season where benny has been ostracised by knackers for massive parts of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 am i right in thinking his off the ball movement is utterly fucking shit? Hard to tell, most of our players off the ball movement is backwards. i'm a massive fan of benny like but even at our recent best with cabs pulling the strings i can't recall him ever being the guy looking in behind for the pass, barely recall him doing much in the way of give & go's (the go part)... if he lays a pass off more often than not he's pretty static it was actually watching YT vids of cabella that it struck me i can hardly recall him ever having it in his game seems like it should work both ways, movement around him is woeful when he has the ball, as you say it's maybe even negative movement, but his is shite when others have the ball too, he's very static and always seems to want the ball at his feet before he'll move EDIT: when i say recent best i mean of course since cabs was at the club, rather than this season where benny has been ostracised by knackers for massive parts of it Debuchy and to some extent Remy are the only players in our entire squad that have any form of clever movement in their game. A lot of that comes down to the coaching staff for me as it should be worked on a fair bit these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 am i right in thinking his off the ball movement is utterly fucking shit? Hard to tell, most of our players off the ball movement is backwards. i'm a massive fan of benny like but even at our recent best with cabs pulling the strings i can't recall him ever being the guy looking in behind for the pass, barely recall him doing much in the way of give & go's (the go part)... if he lays a pass off more often than not he's pretty static it was actually watching YT vids of cabella that it struck me i can hardly recall him ever having it in his game seems like it should work both ways, movement around him is woeful when he has the ball, as you say it's maybe even negative movement, but his is shite when others have the ball too, he's very static and always seems to want the ball at his feet before he'll move EDIT: when i say recent best i mean of course since cabs was at the club, rather than this season where benny has been ostracised by knackers for massive parts of it He's not really a give and go player, and that's one of the reasons he's not popular with a lot of managers. My view is that he's stopped caring much one way or another anyway. He doesn't look anything like the player that shone in the second half of the season where we finished 5th. He doesn't look fit and he doesn't look bothered. I think we'll see that spread through a lot of the squad as we struggle to finish this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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