WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 With Cabaye gone we need to go back to the drawing board. Just get our most talented lads on the pitch at the same time, see what happens. Thought that's what all this was, back to basics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 With Cabaye gone we need to go back to the drawing board. Just get our most talented lads on the pitch at the same time, see what happens. HBA, MYM and Marveaux together on the pitch ? Basically. Marveaux in the number 10 role, Yanga-Mbiwa in for Taylor and Ben Arfa having a free-ish role from the right wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 quite funny today, kid in front whinges after spurs put a nice 'defence splitting' pass through, "only person who could do that for us was cabaye!" ...hatem plays a similar ball through for us, doesn't come off..."this is why you shouldn't play ben arfa!" SHHH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 His attitude stinks tbh, he can fuck off with 1/2 of this squad for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Publius Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 My attitude would stink as well if i was as good at football as him and playing behind the Ameobi brothers tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 His attitude stinks tbh, he can f*** off with 1/2 of this squad for me. You can say that for nearly all of them. We should sell them all, I wish they'd all fuck off. Or we could you know, sack the c*** who's fault it is and fire Pardew out of a cannon into a brick wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 HBA will know after last night he has to move on. As soon as Parshit had the opportunity he dropped him. Gonna be sickening watching the rest of this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Pardew's 'back to basics' appears to be play no creative players in midfield. With a midget not suited to playing in a flat 4 and a battering ram who isn't good enough on the ball to play with just one other CM. So basically, no DM and a sprinter at centre mid. Then a lad on one wing who is knackered after a half and a striker, who before his injury, was massively out of form. Throw in a good old fashioned front pairing, with the target man type and a goal scorer (that's Cisse by the way ) Then proceed to hoof it forwards to nobody in particular and hope someone conjures up a bit of magic. Basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Pardew mismanagement aside, Ben Arfa seems unfit and not motivated at all. His current weight is not acceptable for a professional footballer. After 10 good first minutes yesterday, he just walked and hide around the middle of the pitch. Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a fucking shite pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Both Cisse and Ben Arfa looked clueless in that moment, I'd slag both of them for that. Extra % to Cisse for his passes always being on a different planet to his teammates and generally fucking up passes to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 HBA tried a few things. Think actually he'd benefit from playing with Marveaux. Would be amazed if they both started though. I do think a front 5 of: Sissoko Tiote HBA Marv Gouf Remy Would probs be a decent set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a f***ing s**** pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. He was behind him waiting for the ball instead of moving along the right side line. The play was there and not behind Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a f***ing s**** pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. He was behind him waiting for the ball instead of moving along the right side line. The play was there and not behind Cisse. If hatem wanted the ball where Cisse put it, he would have pointed to the space, Hatem likes ball to his feet and that's where the pass should have gone. Playing it and then saying to Ben Arfa, well that's where you should be is just idiotic on Cisse's behalf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a f***ing s**** pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. He was behind him waiting for the ball instead of moving along the right side line. The play was there and not behind Cisse. If hatem wanted the ball where Cisse put it, he would have pointed to the space, Hatem likes ball to his feet and that's where the pass should have gone. Playing it and then saying to Ben Arfa, well that's where you should be is just idiotic on Cisse's behalf. I wouldn't get all bitchy over one pass. That IS an over-reaction. Not as if it had any bearing on the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Imagine our current manager thinking that Hatem Ben Arfa isn't good enough to be in that team that started the match yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a f***ing s**** pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. He was behind him waiting for the ball instead of moving along the right side line. The play was there and not behind Cisse. If hatem wanted the ball where Cisse put it, he would have pointed to the space, Hatem likes ball to his feet and that's where the pass should have gone. Playing it and then saying to Ben Arfa, well that's where you should be is just idiotic on Cisse's behalf. I wouldn't get all bitchy over one pass. That IS an over-reaction. Not as if it had any bearing on the game. Just brought up my emotion from last night arguing with fan near me who kicked off at Ben Arfa for being lazy and shit when Cisse's pass was shocking. More reason to hate our cunty home crowd for the way they chant Ben Arfa's name (they didn't chant his name last night, like) then when he comes on they moan and groan the loudest when he loses the ball or tries to much. Just let hatem do what he wants, he's a class act who should be able to play the football in the manner he sees fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Cisse's pass in the last minutes would have been ok if Hatem had moved for it. Give over, was a f***ing s**** pass, Ben Arfa was behind him just waiting for the ball and Cisse passed it out of play. No way is Ben Arfa being blamed for not moving there. I agree he's not fit or looking sharp but he's only going to get that by playing matches. He did well when he came on but once he realised there wasn't going to be a comeback, he wasn't bothered. He was coming to a DM position just to pick up the ball, least he actually wanted it. Not that he should be coming that deep, like. He was behind him waiting for the ball instead of moving along the right side line. The play was there and not behind Cisse. If hatem wanted the ball where Cisse put it, he would have pointed to the space, Hatem likes ball to his feet and that's where the pass should have gone. Playing it and then saying to Ben Arfa, well that's where you should be is just idiotic on Cisse's behalf. I wouldn't get all bitchy over one pass. That IS an over-reaction. Not as if it had any bearing on the game. Just brought up my emotion from last night arguing with fan near me who kicked off at Ben Arfa for being lazy and s*** when Cisse's pass was shocking. More reason to hate our cunty home crowd for the way they chant Ben Arfa's name (they didn't chant his name last night, like) then when he comes on they moan and groan the loudest when he loses the ball or tries to much. Just let hatem do what he wants, he's a class act who should be able to play the football in the manner he sees fit. You're coming down off the roofies, son. Go offline, take a couple more then come back on with more mindless optimism. It balances out this place against the rest of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 JOKE ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 For example...when he picked the ball up last night 20/25 yards out, ran towards a man, skipped past him like he wasn't there then just over ran the ball slightly and went out of play for goal kick, had people standing up hurling abuse and the moans and groans. At least he was actually trying to make something happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 For example...when he picked the ball up last night 20/25 yards out, ran towards a man, skipped past him like he wasn't there then just over ran the ball slightly and went out of play for goal kick, had people standing up hurling abuse and the moans and groans. At least he was actually trying to make something happen. If he was as sharp as before his current fatness period, that ball would still be on his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 For example...when he picked the ball up last night 20/25 yards out, ran towards a man, skipped past him like he wasn't there then just over ran the ball slightly and went out of play for goal kick, had people standing up hurling abuse and the moans and groans. At least he was actually trying to make something happen. If he was as sharp as before his current fatness period, that ball would still be on his feet. Maybe so, but he's not going to get match fit with half an hour cameo roles here and there. Needs a good run in the side regardless if he can't be arsed with defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 For example...when he picked the ball up last night 20/25 yards out, ran towards a man, skipped past him like he wasn't there then just over ran the ball slightly and went out of play for goal kick, had people standing up hurling abuse and the moans and groans. At least he was actually trying to make something happen. If he was as sharp as before his current fatness period, that ball would still be on his feet. If he is eating junk and overweight, that tells you a lot about the squad management, or lack of it. Can you imagine any player getting away with it under Mourinho? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 For example...when he picked the ball up last night 20/25 yards out, ran towards a man, skipped past him like he wasn't there then just over ran the ball slightly and went out of play for goal kick, had people standing up hurling abuse and the moans and groans. At least he was actually trying to make something happen. If he was as sharp as before his current fatness period, that ball would still be on his feet. If he is eating junk and overweight, that tells you a lot about the squad management, or lack of it. Can you imagine any player getting away with it under Mourinho? Agree and that's why I think Hatem will not ask for a move. He likes it here (there) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nixon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He's an interesting character -- a psychologists' wet dream. A star before he was even out of his teens, the Clairefontaine documentary cast him as an impetuous child, but a child none the less. The most talented member of the 1987 generation, he's also the laziest. And it's at that point you think, imagine being told you're fantastic before you've even achieved anything? Footballer's are often told by agents, managers, how good they are to build this wall of confidence, to make them achieve their potential. He was getting that same positive reinforcement from the media, and almost every avenue of his life. To a degree it was justified, his close control is fantastic. I've seen him do things with a football that don't seem possible. But underneath it all, there has to be self-doubt. The idea that you won't amount to what's been predicted, that you could be France's biggest waste of talent. Bruno Cheyrou, Anthony Le Tallec, they were all given similar positive mantles when they were younger, but neither achieved what Ben Arfa has or displayed the kind of match winning talent (albeit briefly). You also have to understand the French mentality. I saw Joey Barton talk about it. There's a belief that if you have to work hard, then you aren't talented enough. The training sessions are more tactical, but lack the intensity of England. As we witnessed last night, Ben Arfa has these moments of class that should see him at the top of the league. Yet when you contextualise it with his weight gain, the fact he puts next to no effort in defensively, and was coming on as a substitute, it's hard to justify Pardew's position. Yes it's a crying shame Ben Arfa lacks professionalism, that he isn't in the Gym maxing out his body and constantly trying to improve. That's a demon I think he'll have to wrestle with long after he retires. But in the immediate for us, that's where Pardew has to come in. Dropping him does absolutely nothing, other than push him further into his depressed insular bubble of self doubt and negativity. He has to be his pet project, and while I'm sure it can be frustrating to micro manage someone like that, the potential gains are worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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