The Prophet Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Why? He's a decent defensive midfielder no doubt, but his disciplinary record, his recent injury record and his lesser performances against 'weaker' opposition mean we could probably pick up a decent replacement for a fraction of the fee he'd command. I'd be more concerned about the worrying signal it would send to our better player as opposed to a lack of faith in being able to replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Why? He's a decent defensive midfielder no doubt, but his disciplinary record, his recent injury record and his lesser performances against 'weaker' opposition mean we could probably pick up a decent replacement for a fraction of the fee he'd command. I'd be more concerned about the worrying signal it would send to our better player as opposed to a lack of faith in being able to replace him. I have the same doubts over his disciplinary an fitness record and if a massive bid of say 20M came in it would be tempting. But on his day he's a beast and was part of the reason our defence held firm in many games. If he can sort his disciplinary record and stay injury free I wouldn't want to lose him at any price. Top defensive midfielders aren't easy to find and we should remember the years of Amdy Faye, Butt, and Smith as a reminder of what happens when you just throw in a substandard player to protect the back four. I'd say his form dipped a bit compared to the previous season but we'd have a very hard time finding someone as good. We might put the money to squad strengthening but it could leave a big hole in the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Why? He's a decent defensive midfielder no doubt, but his disciplinary record, his recent injury record and his lesser performances against 'weaker' opposition mean we could probably pick up a decent replacement for a fraction of the fee he'd command. I'd be more concerned about the worrying signal it would send to our better player as opposed to a lack of faith in being able to replace him. Agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I'd be very happy to keep tiote as he seems well liked in the dressing room and would rather not disrupt things, he had a worse second season but without injury he should have a better second season. On the other hand also think he probably is the most reasonable of our 'star' players to cash in on, a second poor season and other clubs may notice and his value could drop, we may well be able to get more than one player better than him with good scouting for how much we could sell him for. Of all the players we may lose, least bothered by tiote (as long as planned ahead and replacements brought in) would prefer still to keep the squad together but expect ashley wants to sell someone to bring in new people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not sure it's as easy to find a quality DM as people think. I my lifetime watching Newcastle, Tiote is probably the best one by a mile. Before he arrived we had a problem in that position for about 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not sure it's as easy to find a quality DM as people think. I my lifetime watching Newcastle, Tiote is probably the best one by a mile. Before he arrived we had a problem in that position for about 10 years. We nearly solved that problem with Scott Parker before he decided to fuck off to West Ham, even while playing for us I always thought he was a really tidy player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not sure it's as easy to find a quality DM as people think. I my lifetime watching Newcastle, Tiote is probably the best one by a mile. Before he arrived we had a problem in that position for about 10 years. We nearly solved that problem with Scott Parker before he decided to fuck off to West Ham, even while playing for us I always thought he was a really tidy player. We not nearly, we completely solved that problem with Parker, untill Roeder decided he should be "our Gerrard" and moved him more forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not sure it's as easy to find a quality DM as people think. I my lifetime watching Newcastle, Tiote is probably the best one by a mile. Before he arrived we had a problem in that position for about 10 years. Agreed about Tiote and I go further back than 10 years, I don't know why people think we can replace our better players so easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 It's not going back so far really as a designated defensive midfielder is a relatively New thing. Thinking back to the days of lee, speed, hamman, Clarke etc. Even batty was more attacking than the def mids of today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm not sure it's as easy to find a quality DM as people think. I my lifetime watching Newcastle, Tiote is probably the best one by a mile. Before he arrived we had a problem in that position for about 10 years. wouldn't say the problem is one of not having a good enough def mid in that time frame, given we played a middle 4 mostly i don't think a designated def mid is necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Nasri out, Menez in ("L'Equipe") HBA on the bench. Just f*** off Laurent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 L'Equipe were wrong in regard to one of the friendly line-ups... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Eh? Why would you drop Nasri and not Malouda? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I don't think losing Tiote would be as big a blow as most make out. Why? He's a decent defensive midfielder no doubt, but his disciplinary record, his recent injury record and his lesser performances against 'weaker' opposition mean we could probably pick up a decent replacement for a fraction of the fee he'd command. Yeah...We would probably have won 3-0 against ManU without him. And we would have lost 8-0 against Tham had Tiote played.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Why in the hell would they drop Nasri? he was one of their better players and that's even if you ignore the goal. Malouda being shite as usual was the major problem, that and Benzema forgetting he's a CF and not an AM I'd personally drop Malouda for Giroud, Ben Arfa or Menez..... quite frankly all 3 of them would make France a crap load better than with Malouda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ah, seems Malouda will be out too. Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair Several thoughts about France before game v. Ukraine, starting with possible XI, as reported by L'Equipe, who generally get it right. That'd be: Lloris - Debuchy, Rami, Mexes, Evra - Cabaye, M'Vila, Martin - Menez, Benzema, Ribery. So Nasri to come off the bench. Again, this is a 'possible' XI, as predicted by L'Equipe, based on training sessions and contacts within the camp, nothing 'official'. That midfield three looks a vast improvement on the one we faced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Ah, seems Malouda will be out too. Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair That'd be: Lloris - Debuchy, Rami, Mexes, Evra - Cabaye, M'Vila, Martin - Menez, Benzema, Ribery. So Nasri to come off the bench. That midfield three looks a vast improvement on the one we faced. Ah right i still dont understand the Nasri benching he thought along with Debuchy and Cabaye he was France's best player. If they had Cabaye-M'Vila-Nasri Menez-Benzema-Ribery i would understand it and probably agree with it but benching Nasri to me makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 433 then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 What is the chance of Ben Arfa getting some game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 In Laurent Blanc opinion, Menez is much more skillful than Hatem. And he decides to start him against Ukraine because Hatem brings nothing against England in 6 minutes. I guess this means he will not have game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Menez is a donkey with a trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 In Laurent Blanc opinion, Menez is much more skillful than Hatem. And he decides to start him against Ukraine because Hatem bring nothing against England in 6 minutes. I guess this means he will not have game time. If he gets no gametime based on 6 minutes at the end of a match then it's a travesty tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Let's be honest, he only just squeezed into the squad, he's clearly not considered an important squad member never mind a starter. Be nice to see him get more time on the pitch but I doubt he'll be getting more than 10mins here and there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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