Ronaldo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Defensively they're both a bit cack, still learning the pair of them. Fuck it i'd play Dummett. For a laugh, or because you want us to lose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Santon is miles better than Haidara. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Defensively they're both a bit cack, still learning the pair of them. Fuck it i'd play Dummett. For a laugh, or because you want us to lose? No for a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 How can you know that? Haidara's made 8 appearances, with plenty of those being short subs. All we know is that Santon is a poor defender, Haidara is as yet unproven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I wouldn't say Santon is a poor defender. He's not the most solid, but he's alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 How can you know that? Haidara's made 8 appearances, with plenty of those being short subs. All we know is that Santon is a poor defender, Haidara is as yet unproven. I think i've seen every minute of Haidara's appearances and he looks a little shaky defensively, but it's more his age than an ability thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 In the table for prem left backs (since 2012/13), Santon comes 5th in terms of successful tackles, 2nd in terms of goals, and 3rd in terms of chances created. Not too shabby! /Disclaimer: selective stats don't always paint the full picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Terms like poor are always relative, just comparing him to the rest of the defence, the point is he's not a very good defensively. How can you know that? Haidara's made 8 appearances, with plenty of those being short subs. All we know is that Santon is a poor defender, Haidara is as yet unproven. I think i've seen every minute of Haidara's appearances and he looks a little shaky defensively, but it's more his age than an ability thing. Age, or even adapting to the league, he's played far less Football for us than Debuchy did before he got himself sorted out. Not saying I know he'll be very good, or even better than Santon, just don't see how we can know how good he'd be if he replaced Santon and got bedded in. I don't disagree its a risk either, just talking about comparing them and saying Santon is miles better, don't see how its a fair comparison (not sure how Santon could be miles better than any half competent defender either). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I like Haidara as well, I just wouldn't pick him ahead of Santon right now. Long-term it's up for grabs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 No fair enough, I don't necessarily think he should replace Santon now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 If we are making allowances for age, Santon is very young for a defender as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Really hard to define, everyone has different ideas of what good, really good ect mean. Suppose its just best for me to say I think he's the weak link in the defence and he often irritates me during games with his soft tackling and getting caught out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I think Santon is most definitley still our best LB but Haidara putting pressure on him for his spot can only be a good thing. If Santon remains in poor form and Haidara takes advantage in a couple of his cameos. he'd deserve a start. Santon hasn't improved as much as i thought he might but he's still young with plenty of promise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 No it was a fair question, suppose it would be better if people just explained what they mean in real terms in the first place rather then using words like good or poor ect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Terms like poor are always relative, just comparing him to the rest of the defence, the point is he's not a very good defensively. How can you know that? Haidara's made 8 appearances, with plenty of those being short subs. All we know is that Santon is a poor defender, Haidara is as yet unproven. I think i've seen every minute of Haidara's appearances and he looks a little shaky defensively, but it's more his age than an ability thing. Age, or even adapting to the league, he's played far less Football for us than Debuchy did before he got himself sorted out. Not saying I know he'll be very good, or even better than Santon, just don't see how we can know how good he'd be if he replaced Santon and got bedded in. I don't disagree its a risk either, just talking about comparing them and saying Santon is miles better, don't see how its a fair comparison (not sure how Santon could be miles better than any half competent defender either). I think he could have done/still could do with going on loan to get that experience, in the Championship seeing as Santon plays virtually every game, Dummett can sit on the bench and have the daft 5 or 10 minutes Pardew keeps giving Haidara. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I like Santon, I think the criticism on here can be over the top at times. I don't think either Haidara or Dummett are ready to step-up and it remains to be seen if they're even as good as Santon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Is this the Ben Arfa thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Is this the Ben Arfa thread? Yes, yes it is Dad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walter Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 In the table for prem left backs (since 2012/13), Santon comes 5th in terms of successful tackles, 2nd in terms of goals, and 3rd in terms of chances created. Not too shabby! /Disclaimer: selective stats don't always paint the full picture. how many times has he been out of position defensively? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 In the table for prem left backs (since 2012/13), Santon comes 5th in terms of successful tackles, 2nd in terms of goals, and 3rd in terms of chances created. Not too shabby! /Disclaimer: selective stats don't always paint the full picture. hoe many times has he been out of position defensively? http://www.thescrib.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IDontKnow.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Played tomorrow to pacify us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Might as well just hoy him in the team, front and centre, number 10 for the rest of the season and see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 It'll be Ameobi and Remy up top with Anita and Tiote in the centre. Wings occupied by those 2 players who aren't wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Ben arfa might have accepted the idea of Cabaye starting ahead of him in the number 10 role, but I'm afraid that won't be the same story if it is Sissoko who replace him, even more if Hatem don't get a start at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Might as well just hoy him in the team, front and centre, number 10 for the rest of the season and see what happens. Plays well, gets injured, Gosling, Pardew blames bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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