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Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either.

 

What are you on about then?

 

 

 

It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches.

 

Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then.

 

What's your point? :lol:

 

Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point.

 

They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew.

 

When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew.

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It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league.

 

I don't know who's to blame, Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently, his teammates stand and watch, he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he fucks off back to France every chance he gets.

 

Whatever the truth, it'll be one of the biggest anti-climaxes in football when he leaves us having done almost nothing. Most exciting player we've had for absolutely ages.

 

I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that.

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Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either.

 

What are you on about then?

 

 

 

It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches.

 

Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then.

 

What's your point? :lol:

 

Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point.

 

They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew.

 

When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew.

 

Keegan didn't have 2 years or so after that spell, so your point's totally redundant, sorry.

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It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league.

 

I don't know who's to blame,

 

Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently,

 

 

he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he f***s off back to France every chance he gets.

 

I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that. 

 

It's clear who you blame ffs man. ugh :lol:

 

Of course, your agenda dictated who you would blame before you wrote the post (I could have given the answer) But you revealed who you blame after declaring you did not know who to blame all in the one post.

 

Congratulations.

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It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league.

 

I don't know who's to blame,

 

Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently,

 

 

he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he f***s off back to France every chance he gets.

 

I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that. 

 

It's clear who you blame ffs man ugh :lol:

 

Of course, your agenda dictated who you would blame before you wrote the post (I could have given the answer) But you revealed who you blame after declaring you did not know who to blame all in the one post.

 

Congratulations.

 

Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem.

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Right, but it doesn't excuse poor conditioning. He's being paid a hell of a lot of money to do something athletes who barely scrape a living manage to do with relative ease.

 

Money doesn't come into it, he gets that anyway.  He needs the motivation of playing football.  I'm almost certain that if we get a new manager you'll see the change in attitudes that we saw when Bobby took over from Gullit and Shearer and Rob Lee became footballers again.

 

Ridiculous.

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Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either.

 

What are you on about then?

 

 

 

It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches.

 

Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then.

 

What's your point? :lol:

 

Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point.

 

They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew.

 

When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew.

 

Every manager has done it yes, but Hatem was 22-23 and disrespectful. He refused to come off the bench with Gerets, called Deschamps names etc.

Not the same situation at all since he joined NUFC.

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Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem.

 

Err, no. And the bold bit is, of course, irrelevant.

 

If there were any sort of standards of debate upheld here you would have been killed a long time ago.

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As recently as Norwich away, Ben Arfa played well on the right wing. His conditioning isn't that big of an issue. Like I say he's been carrying a bit extra ever since that long injury last season. Who knows maybe he prefers being stockier? Besides he's not had an injury this season ( I know because he doesn't play ha ha) but maybe it's related to that in some way?

 

He needs motivating and to play games from the right wing. Even early on against Chelsea he was causing them a few problems, let down by his finishing.

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Right, but it doesn't excuse poor conditioning. He's being paid a hell of a lot of money to do something athletes who barely scrape a living manage to do with relative ease.

 

Money doesn't come into it, he gets that anyway.  He needs the motivation of playing football.  I'm almost certain that if we get a new manager you'll see the change in attitudes that we saw when Bobby took over from Gullit and Shearer and Rob Lee became footballers again.

 

Ridiculous.

 

Useless contribution.

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Pardew deserves some criticism for sure, he should be able to keep a better handle on the fitness and conditioning of his players but essentially it comes down to Hatem. He is a highly-paid athlete, it's a basic expectation that you work hard and keep yourself in good condition regardless of whether or not you're playing regularly. To do otherwise is a basic lack of professionalism.

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He should be putting his all into being the best he can be, but he clearly doesn't and Pardew clearly lets him get away with it as he's a piss poor manager who hasn't got a clue what he's doing. There's obviously 2 ways to keep Ben Arfa on your side, get the best out of him on the football pitch and allow his career to flourish, or never play him but allow him to do what he wants outside of match days whilst telling the world how much of a talent he is and how much you admire him.

 

Ben Arfa is now probably in the worst shape of his life.

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Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem.

 

Err, no. And the bold bit is, of course, irrelevant.

 

If there were any sort of standards of debate upheld here you would have been killed a long time ago.

 

Jeez, what a nob you are.

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Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass.

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Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass.

 

Both arguments have merit. It's infuriating to watch at times.

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Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass.

 

Our shit movement in the final third turns even more shit when he plays. First half at Norwich was a good example of what could be if people moved, he picked out some very good runs from Sammy, Sissoko and Debuchy if I'm not mistaken.

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