duo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 There is no denying Keegan's ability of getting the best out of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either. What are you on about then? It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches. Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then. What's your point? Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point. They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew. When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league. I don't know who's to blame, Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently, his teammates stand and watch, he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he fucks off back to France every chance he gets. Whatever the truth, it'll be one of the biggest anti-climaxes in football when he leaves us having done almost nothing. Most exciting player we've had for absolutely ages. I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either. What are you on about then? It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches. Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then. What's your point? Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point. They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew. When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew. Keegan didn't have 2 years or so after that spell, so your point's totally redundant, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league. I don't know who's to blame, Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently, he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he f***s off back to France every chance he gets. I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that. It's clear who you blame ffs man. ugh Of course, your agenda dictated who you would blame before you wrote the post (I could have given the answer) But you revealed who you blame after declaring you did not know who to blame all in the one post. Congratulations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I tell you one thing, I need to know his hangouts like, I will not let the bastard leave without meeting him once like I've seen him in Baby Lynch (a while ago) and Genting Casino. Stalk away! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's just a footballing tragedy that this cat isn't ripping it up every week in a top league. I don't know who's to blame, Pardew hasn't trusted him enough recently, he can't be bothered to go to on team trips, he spends too much time out late at tonight at the casino etc, he isn't training hard enough, he f***s off back to France every chance he gets. I don't back him to go somewhere else and shine either really, it can't be as simple as that. It's clear who you blame ffs man ugh Of course, your agenda dictated who you would blame before you wrote the post (I could have given the answer) But you revealed who you blame after declaring you did not know who to blame all in the one post. Congratulations. Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Right, but it doesn't excuse poor conditioning. He's being paid a hell of a lot of money to do something athletes who barely scrape a living manage to do with relative ease. Money doesn't come into it, he gets that anyway. He needs the motivation of playing football. I'm almost certain that if we get a new manager you'll see the change in attitudes that we saw when Bobby took over from Gullit and Shearer and Rob Lee became footballers again. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Don't think Keegan would put up with his work ethic, mind. I'm not on about the lack of tracking back, either. What are you on about then? It's obvious to anyone with eyes that Hatem isn't giving nearly enough in his training or in an attacking sense in matches. Just as well the players being picked ahead of him are doing so well then. What's your point? Mark Viduka, Joey Barton and Michael Owen were hardly highly conditioned athletes. Keegan got the best out of them. That's my point. They played well for 8 games under Keegan. Ben Arfa's had better & longer spells under Pardew. When Ben Arfa's not producing though he's easy to drop for managers and let's face it, every manager in his career has done it not just Pardew. Every manager has done it yes, but Hatem was 22-23 and disrespectful. He refused to come off the bench with Gerets, called Deschamps names etc. Not the same situation at all since he joined NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Ridiculous. OK, wise one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem. Err, no. And the bold bit is, of course, irrelevant. If there were any sort of standards of debate upheld here you would have been killed a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 As recently as Norwich away, Ben Arfa played well on the right wing. His conditioning isn't that big of an issue. Like I say he's been carrying a bit extra ever since that long injury last season. Who knows maybe he prefers being stockier? Besides he's not had an injury this season ( I know because he doesn't play ha ha) but maybe it's related to that in some way? He needs motivating and to play games from the right wing. Even early on against Chelsea he was causing them a few problems, let down by his finishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He worked hard for Pardew in the second half of 5th season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Right, but it doesn't excuse poor conditioning. He's being paid a hell of a lot of money to do something athletes who barely scrape a living manage to do with relative ease. Money doesn't come into it, he gets that anyway. He needs the motivation of playing football. I'm almost certain that if we get a new manager you'll see the change in attitudes that we saw when Bobby took over from Gullit and Shearer and Rob Lee became footballers again. Ridiculous. Useless contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Pardew deserves some criticism for sure, he should be able to keep a better handle on the fitness and conditioning of his players but essentially it comes down to Hatem. He is a highly-paid athlete, it's a basic expectation that you work hard and keep yourself in good condition regardless of whether or not you're playing regularly. To do otherwise is a basic lack of professionalism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Most of the top managers suffer with under-performing players who have a fundamental lack of professionalism, motivation and no desire to keep fit. Out of Pards' hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Alan and Hatem have a proper lush relationship. Hatem loves Pardew. He's been the first manager able to control the wild child. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He should be putting his all into being the best he can be, but he clearly doesn't and Pardew clearly lets him get away with it as he's a piss poor manager who hasn't got a clue what he's doing. There's obviously 2 ways to keep Ben Arfa on your side, get the best out of him on the football pitch and allow his career to flourish, or never play him but allow him to do what he wants outside of match days whilst telling the world how much of a talent he is and how much you admire him. Ben Arfa is now probably in the worst shape of his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Well you've got that totally wrong, congratulations. I post all the time about how much I love Hatem. Err, no. And the bold bit is, of course, irrelevant. If there were any sort of standards of debate upheld here you would have been killed a long time ago. Jeez, what a nob you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Reported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 In the Summer, fly like a bird Hatem, fly away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Reported. I know from experience that doesn't do anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Optimistic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass. Both arguments have merit. It's infuriating to watch at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Why do people have a perception that other players just stand and watch? In my eyes he keeps the ball too long when there is an obvious pass. Our shit movement in the final third turns even more shit when he plays. First half at Norwich was a good example of what could be if people moved, he picked out some very good runs from Sammy, Sissoko and Debuchy if I'm not mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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