Papiss Cissé

[TRon]

Just watching the goals on tv and Cisse actually had a hand in both of them. Two defenders taken out trying to stop him scoring the first one, leaving HBA free to net, then a nice lay off for Ben Arfa for the shot that Gouff cashed in on. He might not have scored, but he definitely kept the centre halves occupied, but he doesn't get much credit for it usually.

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

I think he thinks hes un-droppable and therefore can just phone it in so to speak, I would be tempted to go central with Gouffran against Hull with Remy staying exactly where he was today where he looked so effective.

 

Cisse needs to realise that he needs to perform to keep his place in the side, just like any other player.

[alexf]

Yeah hate to say it as I love the guy but can see him being the weakest link in this starting lineup if he doesn't get some confidence soon.  Just never gets the ball out of his feet to get a shot away like he used to. Happy to persist with him for longer though.

Still believe the old Cisse will reappear and go on a little run of goals soon if the rest of the team continues to play well.

[Cronky]

  On 14/09/2013 at 22:44, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

I think he thinks hes un-droppable and therefore can just phone it in so to speak, I would be tempted to go central with Gouffran against Hull with Remy staying exactly where he was today where he looked so effective.

 

Cisse needs to realise that he needs to perform to keep his place in the side, just like any other player.

 

Yeah, I wonder about his attitude, and how well that's going down with his team-mates. He avoids difficult physical challenges and often looks like he's a bit above it all. He didn't seem to participate much in the goal celebrations.

 

The Wonga episode looked like a bit of a pose, given other aspects of his lifestyle. None of the others, Muslim or not, felt the need for a public demonstration of their supposedly finer feelings.

 

That thing of inviting a group of fans to his house looked like a rather naive publicity stunt proclaiming himself as a great guy, more than anything else. I'm all for footballers devoting part of their spare time to community work, but a line should be drawn at the point of their home lives, and the whole thing won't have impressed his team-mates, however good it looked in the papers.

 

I just wonder if he's getting a bit isolated off the pitch, as well as on it.

[TRon]

  On 15/09/2013 at 08:10, Cronky said:

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I think he thinks hes un-droppable and therefore can just phone it in so to speak, I would be tempted to go central with Gouffran against Hull with Remy staying exactly where he was today where he looked so effective.

 

Cisse needs to realise that he needs to perform to keep his place in the side, just like any other player.

 

Yeah, I wonder about his attitude, and how well that's going down with his team-mates. He avoids difficult physical challenges and often looks like he's a bit above it all. He didn't seem to participate much in the goal celebrations.

 

The Wonga episode looked like a bit of a pose, given other aspects of his lifestyle. None of the others, Muslim or not, felt the need for a public demonstration of their supposedly finer feelings.

 

That thing of inviting a group of fans to his house looked like a rather naive publicity stunt proclaiming himself as a great guy, more than anything else. I'm all for footballers devoting part of their spare time to community work, but a line should be drawn at the point of their home lives, and the whole thing won't have impressed his team-mates, however good it looked in the papers.

 

I just wonder if he's getting a bit isolated off the pitch, as well as on it.

 

He was definitely in there for the group hug for one of the goals like, that's just plain wrong.

[Barnes23]

Still want him to start against Hull. Probably as good a chance as he is going to get to open his account for the season and boost his confidence.

[Cronky]

  On 15/09/2013 at 08:49, TRon said:

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I think he thinks hes un-droppable and therefore can just phone it in so to speak, I would be tempted to go central with Gouffran against Hull with Remy staying exactly where he was today where he looked so effective.

 

Cisse needs to realise that he needs to perform to keep his place in the side, just like any other player.

 

Yeah, I wonder about his attitude, and how well that's going down with his team-mates. He avoids difficult physical challenges and often looks like he's a bit above it all. He didn't seem to participate much in the goal celebrations.

 

The Wonga episode looked like a bit of a pose, given other aspects of his lifestyle. None of the others, Muslim or not, felt the need for a public demonstration of their supposedly finer feelings.

 

That thing of inviting a group of fans to his house looked like a rather naive publicity stunt proclaiming himself as a great guy, more than anything else. I'm all for footballers devoting part of their spare time to community work, but a line should be drawn at the point of their home lives, and the whole thing won't have impressed his team-mates, however good it looked in the papers.

 

I just wonder if he's getting a bit isolated off the pitch, as well as on it.

 

He was definitely in there for the group hug for one of the goals like, that's just plain wrong.

 

On my recording, I can't see him at all in the second, and in the first, he arrives a bit late and it looks rather half-hearted. But I can accept there may be different opinions about whether he was 'participating much' in the celebrations.

 

At the end of the day, that was one detail amongst others, in the making of a general point. Team spirit and solidarity is very important, and he looks a bit too full of himself.

[Lotus]

Would be nice to have an option on the bench but not convinced Goufran can do it from either CF or LF. Looks more of an impact player.

Terrible transfer window not to provide some genuine competition.

[TRon]

  On 15/09/2013 at 09:49, Cronky said:

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I think he thinks hes un-droppable and therefore can just phone it in so to speak, I would be tempted to go central with Gouffran against Hull with Remy staying exactly where he was today where he looked so effective.

 

Cisse needs to realise that he needs to perform to keep his place in the side, just like any other player.

 

Yeah, I wonder about his attitude, and how well that's going down with his team-mates. He avoids difficult physical challenges and often looks like he's a bit above it all. He didn't seem to participate much in the goal celebrations.

 

The Wonga episode looked like a bit of a pose, given other aspects of his lifestyle. None of the others, Muslim or not, felt the need for a public demonstration of their supposedly finer feelings.

 

That thing of inviting a group of fans to his house looked like a rather naive publicity stunt proclaiming himself as a great guy, more than anything else. I'm all for footballers devoting part of their spare time to community work, but a line should be drawn at the point of their home lives, and the whole thing won't have impressed his team-mates, however good it looked in the papers.

 

I just wonder if he's getting a bit isolated off the pitch, as well as on it.

 

He was definitely in there for the group hug for one of the goals like, that's just plain wrong.

 

On my recording, I can't see him at all in the second, and in the first, he arrives a bit late and it looks rather half-hearted. But I can accept there may be different opinions about whether he was 'participating much' in the celebrations.

 

At the end of the day, that was one detail amongst others, in the making of a general point. Team spirit and solidarity is very important, and he looks a bit too full of himself.

 

Watching it again I suppose Cisse didn't jump around that much in celebration, but is that not just his laid back style? If he's not committed to the cause then you would expect Pardew would be the first one to pick up on that. Maybe you are drawing too many conclusions based on what you think might be the situation.

[The College Dropout]

Shola would get called lazy if he put in some of these performances.

 

[Guest]

Would be good if Hull could be to him, what Blackburn was for Ba. Similar sort of game, and start to the season we and Ba had up to now as well.

[TRon]

  On 15/09/2013 at 12:35, The College Dropout said:

Shola would get called lazy if he put in some of these performances.

 

 

Would you prefer Shola in there?

 

 

[Lotus]

  On 15/09/2013 at 12:35, The College Dropout said:

Shola would get called lazy if he put in some of these performances.

 

 

No, he wouldn't.

[TRon]

  On 15/09/2013 at 12:46, Lotus said:

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Shola would get called lazy if he put in some of these performances.

 

 

No, he wouldn't.

 

Precisely.

[Mole_Toonfan]

  On 15/09/2013 at 12:44, Optimistic Nut said:

Would be good if Hull could be to him, what Blackburn was for Ba. Similar sort of game, and start to the season we and Ba had up to now as well.

 

Would be great, we kind of need him to tbh. Can't have your main striker stinking up the place.

 

We might get away with it, if we can keep that midfield 3 together plus Hatem and Remy firing on all cylinders but the team would be even better if Cisse can pick up some form.

[Klaus]

In no doubt he will get chances against hull, I just hope he takes one. He needs a goal badly.

[huss9]

hope he plays from the start against Leeds

[Dokko]

Cisse needed dropping a long time ago, feel we are far past that stage now, dropping him will do more damage than good ATM, hopefully we can see him through it especially if we keep building on good performances and points.

[Oakie Doke]

went for 26+ goals and I'm sticking by it.

[buzza]

If he doesn't score at Hull then he needs dropped. it's got to the stage where he seems undroppable and somebody like Gouff could take up the mantle and offer a lot more. Would like to see Remy as the front man at some point with Gouff and Hatem either side.

P.S. Would love him to start hitting them in from all angles but it just seems so far away at the moment. Some of his offsides are ridiculous and the way he is getting shoved off the ball seems too easy...

[TRon]

  On 15/09/2013 at 13:15, Toon's Taylor said:

Cisse needed dropping a long time ago, feel we are far past that stage now, dropping him will do more damage than good ATM, hopefully we can see him through it especially if we keep building on good performances and points.

 

If you're one of those who is of the opinion he's not a good striker, then I don't see why you would think it's pointless to drop him now, especially since he's not scoring goals. You could always start with Goffran off Remy as the main striker. I'm not one of those btw, I'd keep him in the side for a couple more games yet.

[Dokko]

  On 15/09/2013 at 13:29, TRon said:

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Cisse needed dropping a long time ago, feel we are far past that stage now, dropping him will do more damage than good ATM, hopefully we can see him through it especially if we keep building on good performances and points.

 

If you're one of those who is of the opinion he's not a good striker, then I don't see why you would think it's pointless to drop him now, especially since he's not scoring goals. You could always start with Goffran off Remy as the main striker. I'm not one of those btw, I'd keep him in the side for a couple more games yet.

 

He's a good poacher out of form, he's a poor footballer though. He's mentally weak and why his rut is lasting so long. Needed a kick up the arse a long time ago but didnt get it, hes so far gone now he needs us to stick by him, dropping him will all but finish him off confidence wise and we might as well just sell him as do that.

 

I voted 6-10 goals, that seems wildly optimistic right now.

[The College Dropout]

Agree with TT. He's been bad for over a year now...

[Guest neesy111]

I'm losing patience with him.  Isn't it 10 games without a goal now?

[Sifu]

I'll be honest, I'm slightly worried about him. He hasn't really done anything so far this season, he still looks isolated up top on his own despite the introduction of Remy (and the continuing presence of Ben Arfa) to support him and he's been pretty much bullied by the opposition defenders in each of the games he's started. His confidence is shot but he's still pretty our only proven goalscorer in the team (even if he doesn't look like it atm). For his sake and ours I hope he finds the net soon otherwise we'll be counting on Ben Arfa specials week in, week out (whilst not necessarily a bad thing, we need our striker to do his job and score goals).