TRon Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I'm losing patience with him. Isn't it 10 games without a goal now? Its not that is concerning me so much, its the utter lack of overall play which to me is limiting how good the team can be. You're getting it Mole. Everyone always asks what the other lads can do for him but what does he do for them? He offers so little in general play that it's one of the prime reasons we struggle to create chances or sustain momentum. The goals highly concern me though.. he's not scoring... so what is the point of him? I'd give him Hull to find the net.. if he doesn't score against them send him to the glue factory.. Such a massive Cisse critic, yet you still don't have the balls to recommend he's dropped for the next match. What a pile of meaningless guff you have contributed here over the last few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 If you think back to all the decent strikers we have had in the last 20 years, they all had something to contribute even if they went through a dry spell of goal-scoring ; Shearer had aggression, movement and the ability to hold up play and bring others into the game ; Bellamy had raw pace, Ferdinand had decent pace and strength as well as aerial ability, Cole had pace and movement(was probably the closest in style to Cisse albeit a better all round player), Kelly never stopped running and harassing defenders, Peacock had all round skill but lacked size.....all these players were still an asset to the side when not scoring. Even the likes of Viduka had strength and skill on the ball although at the end of his career - only Owen was a disappointment but not as much as Cisse has been over the past year or so. I always thought Cisse would find it tougher in his second PL season but not as tough as he found it - the goals record tells you that.... We all thought he was given a tough job last season and people thought he would be more dangerous after Ba left but this proved to be a false hope. He is hopeless as a target man, cannot hold the ball and even though Remy was playing on Saturday, Cisse didn't seem any more comfortable but Remy was playing more of a wide role on the left and he and Cisse don't look a compatible partnership because Cisse needs the support of a big striker in the middle. That is why I said we would rue not getting another central striker in before the deadline - Cisse is proving that he is a poacher and ONLY a poacher - in the current set up, his type of player cannot work because he lacks pace and the strength on the ball to beat defenders in a one against one situation. At his age - 28 now - he won't get any better ...looks a shadow of the player from almost 2 years ago. Cannot see an answer to this because Ashley will not do what is necessary to sort out the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Be alreet man. We're only just starting to resemble a football team ffs. He'll get a return before mid-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Not worried while we are playing well. Just keep playing him, it will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I'm losing patience with him. Isn't it 10 games without a goal now? Its not that is concerning me so much, its the utter lack of overall play which to me is limiting how good the team can be. You're getting it Mole. Everyone always asks what the other lads can do for him but what does he do for them? He offers so little in general play that it's one of the prime reasons we struggle to create chances or sustain momentum. The goals highly concern me though.. he's not scoring... so what is the point of him? I'd give him Hull to find the net.. if he doesn't score against them send him to the glue factory.. I don't disagree with the overall post. Just one point though, about him not doing enough for others. He created the space for both goals at Villa imo. His movement was correct in that he drifted towards the penalty spot and preoccupied 2 CB's, while Remy/Gouffran and HBA had the space to move into and make a telling contribution. Aye he wasn't really involved much throughout the 90 but he is still a lethal finisher that teams will worry greatly about especially dead center of the penalty box. Yet another reason why we absolutely MUST play 433 as it's the only formation that suits Cisse, especially Cisse lacking in confidence and seemingly out of sorts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He's needs his confidence back. His poor form has lasted too long now. I love Papiss but it's not good enough now. If he could bag a couple against Hull it would do the world of good form him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He's needs his confidence back. His poor form has lasted too long now. I love Papiss but it's not good enough now. If he could bag a couple against Hull it would do the world of good form him. Aye, he needs to get back to the goals like otherwise we need to look to replace him (Although as we can't get an additional striker, replacing him seems unlikely). I want first season Papiss back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 How long can we put up with his bad form though? Gouff came off the bench and scored surely he deserves a chance in the starting 11, it would also give us more flexibility as he and Remy could interchange positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 How long can we put up with his bad form though? Gouff came off the bench and scored surely he deserves a chance in the starting 11, it would also give us more flexibility as he and Remy could interchange positions. I wouldn't mind seeing Gouff start a few up there and drop Cisse to bench for a few just to see difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I wouldn't argue with anyone who say's Gouff should start but personally think we should stick with Cisse for the time being, we are starting to create more and i think it will only take one goal to set him off on a run. Along with that, i'd like to see that team from Saturday remained unchanged until we see some glaring errors, for now i don't think Cisse is one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I wouldn't argue with anyone who say's Gouff should start but personally think we should stick with Cisse for the time being, we are starting to create more and i think it will only take one goal to set him off on a run. Along with that, i'd like to see that team from Saturday remained unchanged until we see some glaring errors, for now i don't think Cisse is one. Oh I think it would be good to retain same team for quite a few games, if an opportunity arises though we should drop Gouff in, maybe start him for Leeds match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I wouldn't argue with anyone who say's Gouff should start but personally think we should stick with Cisse for the time being, we are starting to create more and i think it will only take one goal to set him off on a run. Along with that, i'd like to see that team from Saturday remained unchanged until we see some glaring errors, for now i don't think Cisse is one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I can't decide right now, sticking with him is all good and he is getting more chances, but I wouldn't be against giving him a couple of games out of the team to regroup. Depends on his mindset I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I can't decide right now, sticking with him is all good and he is getting more chances, but I wouldn't be against giving him a couple of games out of the team to regroup. Depends on his mindset I suppose. Sammy Remy HBA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I can't decide right now, sticking with him is all good and he is getting more chances, but I wouldn't be against giving him a couple of games out of the team to regroup. Depends on his mindset I suppose. Sammy Remy HBA Not sure the sum of that is better than with Cisse in TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I can't decide right now, sticking with him is all good and he is getting more chances, but I wouldn't be against giving him a couple of games out of the team to regroup. Depends on his mindset I suppose. Sammy Remy HBA Not sure the sum of that is better than with Cisse in TBH. I agree, but it could have its merits. A recovering Remy will have less to do in terms of running up and down the pitch, and Sammy's unpredictability will still keep fullbacks on their toes. It would work better than hoying Gouffran in either position (LF, CF), as IMO he is best coming off the bench to impact the game. If Cisse needs to gain some perspective watching a couple of games from the bench, then that's the way to go IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I wouldn't argue with anyone who say's Gouff should start but personally think we should stick with Cisse for the time being, we are starting to create more and i think it will only take one goal to set him off on a run. Along with that, i'd like to see that team from Saturday remained unchanged until we see some glaring errors, for now i don't think Cisse is one. Can't really argue with this post at all as it is very true and sensible. Cisse has been poor it is a big concern but yes one goal could suddenly make a huge difference to him and we are playing well as a team and won our last two and not lost in four. But yes would be very interesting to see Gouff up there to see if he's better than Cisse. I really think he could be so i would try it. He is more of a physical presence, more aggressive and quicker too and seems to know where the back of the net is and Cisse for all his running just can't seem to hit a barn door at the moment. I was dreaming of Mike Ashley going on a bender geting completey wankered and getting Benteke in Jan for 30 to 40 million. Remy Benteke HBA. Never going to happen i know don't tell me. He had one chance on saturday and scored it and they created nothing for him but what a top notch player he held it up so well and is exactly the type of player we need. Remy Ba HBA would also be awesome and i haven't completely given up on that for Jan. If Cisse hasn't kicked into gear by Jan we may well have to consider selling him. Bit early to say that we definitely should now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 A lot of people have already jumped ship with Cisse and I can definitely understand why. He's been in poor form. I'm sticking with him though, purely a gut feeling but I still think he'll come good once one goes in that gives him confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 After our run of games vs some of the bigger teams I think he'll start notching on a more regular basis. Will get 2 next week vs Hull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He made some good runs and movements yesterday TBF. A dart to the near post for that backheel shot, another one for Ben Arfa's goal. The header. And a couple of other ones where he pulled in between the CBs but the ball never reached him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 After our run of games vs some of the bigger teams I think he'll start notching on a more regular basis. Will get 2 next week vs Hull. Good one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 After our run of games vs some of the bigger teams I think he'll start notching on a more regular basis. Will get 2 next week vs Hull. Good one Cheers. The start of the season is doing things to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 After our run of games vs some of the bigger teams I think he'll start notching on a more regular basis. Will get 2 next week vs Hull. Good one I fancy him to get a brace on Saturday, that's where my pennies will be going. Might even put a couple of quid on the hatty while i'm there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 He's been out of form much longer than he was in form. If he's any less than a 1 in 2 man he should be on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 The alternatives being a 1 in never and Gouffran. There's definitely a case for Gouffran starting ahead of him, but it's not like we're in any position to think we can be picky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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