Papiss Cissé

[Al Moody]

Bet you Shola is the real man behind this. Cisse doesn't know what's going on.

 

[Memphis]

I'm struggling to reconcile it with the others as religion - if you are a strict believer, as Cisse seems to be -  is very much about principle and hard and fast laws/rules.

 

based on what?

 

His more intense response to this issue. I'll admit none of us can know the depth of his level of belief.

[Guest neesy111]

If this lingers on we'll need to keep Shola, just incase.

[Skirge]

Get the feeling he is being badly advised over this and this is not his own opinion and its going to hurt his career. I respect anyone making a strand for what they believe in however its making him look a little daft as all of the other Muslim players are wearing the kit.

Wonder what Ba would have done had he still been here.

 

That doesn't count for a single thing. You have no idea what are the other players beliefs are other than that they are muslim?

 

True but he is saying it is against his Muslim faith to wear the Wonga logo

 

Not all Muslims are the same, man.

No shit Sherlock.

 

may be wrong but I am sure most of Muslim faith respect the part of Islam that is giving Cisee the dilemma.

May be wrong here but I think all Muslims also do  not gamble, yes Cisee does, I have Muslim friends some are totally devoted some will choose not to be so strict on their devotion to their religion. Would seem Cisse is like this so lets hope he can find a way to live with wearing the Wonga logo.

[SEMTEX]

Well if he won't wear the top and we do end up selling him, it puts Wonga in an awkward situation and they won't want to come out of this badly . . . So will be looking forward to them ploughing loads of money on for Rooney.

 

I'm not sure NUFC should be borrowing £30m off Wonga like. I've heard their interest rates are pretty high.

[TRon]

He's probably not travelling to Portugal because he's fasting during Ramadan. I know it's not such a juicy story but IMO that's probably the likely reason rather than the Wonga business.

[Guest icemanblue]

He's probably not travelling to Portugal because he's fasting during Ramadan. I know it's not such a juicy story but IMO that's probably the likely reason rather than the Wonga business.

 

I think we're past the point of trying to dress this up, like. There's no doubt at all that it's down to the Wonga issue now.

[Guest neesy111]

He's probably not travelling to Portugal because he's fasting during Ramadan. I know it's not such a juicy story but IMO that's probably the likely reason rather than the Wonga business.

 

I'm sure some of the other players are on Ramadan as well.

[madras]

Flipping heck McCormick, I watched a documentary on Islamic banking and done a little research and never once did it say a little bit usury is ok, but just a little.

 

Also as for the virgin do islamic mortgages aswell argument, that counts for little, like the animal liberation front saying McDonald's is ok cos they do salads aswell.

[Guest neesy111]

Flipping heck McCormick, I watched a documentary on Islamic banking and done a little research and never once did it say a little bit usury is ok, but just a little.

 

Also as for the virgin do islamic mortgages aswell argument, that counts for little, like the animal liberation front saying McDonald's is ok cos they do salads aswell.

 

You just don't like him.

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

 

Well thats a helpful line of nonsense, but if religious people break the rules often, they are also hypocrites, as are most human beings to be honest.

 

It's not though is it? You say it's laughable that religious people break "rules", yet religion evolves and scripture gets rewritten and repurposed. You seem to be suggesting that religious people should follow the "rules" blindly without using their own moral compass. And if they don't then they're hypocrites, which is just daft.

 

I'm usually the last person to stand up and defend the madness of religion but I wholeheartedly understand why someone, religious or not, might object to playing with an advert for a payday loan company emblazoned across their shirt but go out and gamble, or be able to find it in themselves to play with the Virgin Money logo on their chest.

 

I meant laughable in the respect of using one reason not to do something, yet breaking another. You can't both ways if you do that. And that is exactly what Cisse is doing. It's hypocritical and wrong.

 

And yes religious people should blindly follow their the rules for their chosen religion, not just follow what they like to and what they don't, or what's the point in the first place. Or what you could do is not believe the utter nonsense and rubbish in the first place.

 

Tbh i'm sick of hearing about religion and faith to do with this or just about anything in life, it's complete bollocks and the day religion dies is a day that can't come too soon.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Flipping heck McCormick, I watched a documentary on Islamic banking and done a little research and never once did it say a little bit usury is ok, but just a little.

 

Also as for the virgin do islamic mortgages aswell argument, that counts for little, like the animal liberation front saying McDonald's is ok cos they do salads aswell.

 

When do you get your PhD?

[Guest bimpy474]

I'm struggling to reconcile it with the others as religion - if you are a strict believer, as Cisse seems to be -  is very much about principle and hard and fast laws/rules.

 

based on what?

 

His more intense response to this issue. I'll admit none of us can know the depth of his level of belief.

 

Yet he gambles, so strict my arse he is.

[Disco]

He's probably not travelling to Portugal because he's fasting during Ramadan. I know it's not such a juicy story but IMO that's probably the likely reason rather than the Wonga business.

 

@BenSmithBBC 11m

Papiss Cisse has pulled out of #NUFC's pre-season tour after refusing to wear the Wonga logo. More on @BBCSport

[TRon]

He's probably not travelling to Portugal because he's fasting during Ramadan. I know it's not such a juicy story but IMO that's probably the likely reason rather than the Wonga business.

 

I think we're past the point of trying to dress this up, like. There's no doubt at all that it's down to the Wonga issue now.

 

Really? I haven't seen anything other than press speculation, but if it's true then it's probably a smokescreen for him to leave. I don't really swallow the moral outrage tbh.

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

There is no correlation between virgin money and wonga. Defo can't use the 'he wore the Virgin money logo and they do loans so he should be fine wearing Wonga' argument. They're totally different beasts

[Decky]

We should just sell him now if he is adamant that he won't wear the shirt. The sponsor isn't going to change and he won't be allowed to play without it. Knowing us though we'll let this drag on like fuck, end up selling him late on leaving us fuck all time to replace him.

[Ste]

Very concerning early signs. I hope this can resolved as, rate him or not, he is our only recognised striker at the club. I think there can be a bit of give and take from both sides on this.

[Guest neesy111]

We should just sell him now if he is adamant that he won't wear the shirt. The sponsor isn't going to change and he won't be allowed to play without it. Knowing us though we'll let this drag on like fuck, end up selling him late on leaving us fuck all time to replace him.

 

Lowers his asking price as well.

[TRon]

We should just sell him now if he is adamant that he won't wear the shirt. The sponsor isn't going to change and he won't be allowed to play without it. Knowing us though we'll let this drag on like fuck, end up selling him late on leaving us fuck all time to replace him.

 

Lowers his asking price as well.

 

Not with our board.

[jdckelly]

There is no correlation between virgin money and wonga. Defo can't use the 'he wore the Virgin money logo and they do loans so he should be fine wearing Wonga' argument. They're totally different beasts

they both charge interest for loans which is the bit against sharia law, doesn't matter about size its the simple fact of interest being charged at all. So yes theres a correlation

[SEMTEX]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23347131

 

http://i.imgur.com/CnOQlU1.jpg

 

Papiss Cisse pulls out of Newcastle tour after sponsor row

 

 

By Ben Smith

BBC Sport

 

Papiss Cisse has pulled out of Newcastle's pre-season tour to Portugal after refusing to wear club sponsor Wonga's logo on religious grounds.

 

The Senegal striker, a Muslim, told club officials he was not prepared to promote the money-lending company.

 

But the 28-year-old did offer to wear an unbranded shirt or one bearing a charity logo instead.

 

It leaves Cisse's future in doubt, with sources describing the relationship between the parties as "strained".

The Newcastle forward and his representatives have been in talks with club officials and the Professional Footballers' Association in recent days but neither the club nor their shirt sponsor have been able to find a solution.

 

Cheick Tiote and Moussa Sissoko, Cisse's team-mates at Newcastle, are also Muslim but have told the club they have no issue with wearing the sponsor's logo.

 

Cisse will continue to train on his own as he attempts to catch up on his fitness after returning later than the majority of the squad following international duty with Senegal.

 

Both camps are hopeful that a solution can be found, but it seems Cisse is not prepared to move on his position.

[brummie]

Brummie...not to mention that even should he not wear a wonga sign, he'd still be wearing a Barclays one. You know the mis-sellers and libor fixers.

 

Exactly.

 

It's sad, really, it'd be nice for a footballer to at some point do something on a matter of principle and have it accepted as such, but looking at Cisse's thing, it's hard not to find yourself thinking that it sounds like a convenient - if implausible - excuse to get more money or a move.

[Dr Venkman]

There is no correlation between virgin money and wonga. Defo can't use the 'he wore the Virgin money logo and they do loans so he should be fine wearing Wonga' argument. They're totally different beasts

 

well you (YOU) WOULD say that

[TRon]

Fuck selling him tbh. He's a good player and we got him at a reasonable price. We can sensibly resolve this without selling him

 

The only way we will sell him is if we get his full market value. Say what you like about Ashley but he won't ever be taken for a mug in the transfer market.