sunderland

[TK-421]

Bennett on Total Sport just said he thinks there will now be some [pro-fascist] people, in Sunderland jerseys 'infiltrating' the crowd, in attempt to 'Influence' people, following Di Canio's appiontment.

 

Think BBC Newcastle might need to find a new co-commentator for SunderLOL's matches soon.

[Unbelievable]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

[Mike]

 

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Aye, some of the responses he gets as well ....

 

Basically your standard 'fuck off' but put like 'terminate your card and dont come back'

 

fucking idiots on there

 

Dying laughing at the responses.

[Tiresias]

The difference between fascist beliefs and conservative, liberal socialist, green, raving looney beliefs, is that the former doesn't sit inside the democratic sphere of allowing other people to have different opinions and in trying to change minds (however much this actually happens hah), whereas fascism ideologically disagrees with this, doesn't believe in engaging with a democratic system which it regards as corrupt and sees violence and intimidation as vital tools. You are allowed to hold these views mind, as long as you do not carry it out. Having him have a high profile position is a terrible message.

 

On the other hand I am always complaining about the media's dislike of eccentricity, so seems a tad hypocritical of me to jump on him just cos his 'eccentricity' is particularly unsavory. But being a fascist shouldn't be a charming quirk, it isn't a valid political position in a society that values free speech and equality and it isn't viable to totally disassociate football and politics. It's appalling to see a premiership club to be seen to embrace it, racist or not, fascism is a violent ideology. Ultimately maybe he'll be just as much a clown and maybe the influence of his fascism won't extend much at all, possibly everyone will laugh at him for a while and then he'll be gone. Mussolini was charming too though, people keep saying he's 'likeable and good' despite being a fascist, of course fascists can seem that way, they charmed half the population then beat up the other half.

[Benwell Lad]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

I'm not sure he has the slightest understanding about how "soccer" works, but it seems he has been very badly advised by those he consults on these matters.

[ikri]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

From talking to some Sunderland fans at work today they seem to think that the biggest risk isn't that he's a nutter, or that the media are having a field day with his appointment but rather that he might have given the players an excuse to not perform.

 

They've sacked the previous media and player friendly manager

He's too much of a disciplinarian

He's a racist

His appointment has turned fans away

His appointment has added too much media pressure on the team

Their best goal-scorer is injured

etc.

 

The squad have a ready made list of reasons to turn in half-hearted performances.  If they go a goal down, there are reasons why they can simply not try, they'll still get paid after all.

[Conjo]

tiredisas pls. We´re finally onto something again in this thread

[Unbelievable]

http://www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5829

 

UK] Kick It Out releases statement on Paolo Di Canio appointment

Tuesday 2 Apr 2013

 

Kick It Out has released a statement following Sunderland's recent appointment of Paolo Di Canio as head coach.

 

The statement reads: “It is not part of Kick It Out’s remit to sanction the selection of staff of football clubs. However, football clubs have a responsibility to ensure that their employees demonstrate a commitment to anti-discrimination and equality of opportunity. It may be in the interest of both the club and Mr Di Canio to acknowledge a full and frank commitment to these policies.

 

“It is all too easy for positive progress and engagement to be compromised by inappropriate statements, and both Sunderland supporters and members of its local community will be looking for reassurance on these points.

 

“When fascism is referenced within the context of English football, there is a wider concern. The spectre of the rise of far-right groups in some parts of Europe cannot be allowed to undermine the progress made in the game domestically, and the increasing number of incidents involving both neo-Nazi and Ultra groups which have happened in places like Italy and Greece, must not be replicated here.

 

“Kick It Out and its partners have held concerns for some time about similar groups operating in the UK. Now is the time to reinforce this vigilance.”

[Decky]

Did they do the interview with Di Canio in the corner of some small room? Not exactly the same as Newcastle's press room.

[oldtype]

This really was the worst appointment imaginable for them, wasn't it?

[healthyaddiction]

This really was the worst appointment imaginable for them, wasn't it?

 

They could have hired Joe Kinnear.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

I can easily see him keeping them up this season. That being said I think anybody would have kept them up just about. Can understand why Short got so nervous and you get to name your own terms when you deal with the recently unemployed manager of Swindon.

 

I could see this being the catalyst that leads to their relegation next season.

[Pilko]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

He sounds like a more controversial version of Souness when you put it that way.

[oldtype]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

He sounds like a more controversial version of Souness when you put it that way.

 

Basically Souness. With no top flight experience. And less pedigree. And a Nazi.

[Unbelievable]

http://www.rokerreport.com/2013/4/2/4170706/top-swindon-site-gives-us-the-full-lowdown-on-di-canio

 

Some quotes:

 

Recruitment is perhaps his biggest area of weakness. He signed 38 players at Swindon, of which 10 had their contracts paid up early as they were soon proved unsuitable to Di Canio's methods or just not up to playing in the lower reaches of the Football League. It was also a revolving door with 26 departing, including 12 of his own permanent signings leaving within 18 months.

 

In summary Paolo's tactics have been:

442

One full back to push, one to cover.

One inverted winger, one orthodox hugging the by-line

One out and out holder central midfielder, one who can create a little

Two centre forwards, both with pace and aggression. He doesn't seem to like a target man or someone who drops too deep. They need to contribute always - no place for a specialist finisher.

Centre backs need to play a bit but not massively - they are defenders, but no afraid to push central midfielders back into defensive roles.

His Town side were robust but not overly physical or big. They didn't dive or kick, crowd the ref or talk back - he did that.

Direct football, where possession is secondary to positioning. The ball is kept but only to create change. He doesn't like 'tippy-tappy football'

Drilled, drilled and drilled again - efficient, orthodox football

 

He can change games with a substitution, but he is also convicted that he can so expect half time subs - or even 21 mins for a 'keeper. However, he won't really change the system - and if he does, going on his time at Town, it doesn't work and doesn't seem planned or drilled for - oddly given his style.

 

With the average reign for a football manager soon to be counted in minutes, no appointment is a risk. Sunderland are without a win in 8 matches and something had to be done to ensure Premier League safety. The problem Mackems face is that Di Canio has started both the 2011/12 and 2012/13 seasons slowly after winning both opening games 3-0. How this translates into the final 7 league games and a relegation fight - something he's yet to be embroiled in as a manager - will be interesting viewing.

[Guest neesy111]

Just seen that press conference.  Absolute joke.

[Flip]

From what I've read about his approach to football he prefers to play a traditional 442 and is big on discipline above all else. Doesn't sound like a modern day football manager capable of managing a top flight side at all. I can't wait to see how his millionaire prima donnas will react to his management style, and in turn how their board and owner will react once they realise a number of their high earners are completely overlooked while they run down their contract/sold for a huge loss. I would love to know what Short's thinking was behind this appointment.

 

He sounds like a more controversial version of Souness when you put it that way.

 

Basically Souness. With no top flight experience. And less pedigree. And a Nazi.

 

You went to Harvard, you know it better than that.

[TK-421]

http://www.rokerreport.com/2013/4/2/4170706/top-swindon-site-gives-us-the-full-lowdown-on-di-canio

 

Some quotes:

 

In summary Paolo's tactics have been:

442

One full back to push, one to cover.

One inverted winger, one orthodox hugging the by-line

One out and out holder central midfielder, one who can create a little

Two centre forwards, both with pace and aggression. He doesn't seem to like a target man or someone who drops too deep. They need to contribute always - no place for a specialist finisher.

Centre backs need to play a bit but not massively - they are defenders, but no afraid to push central midfielders back into defensive roles.

His Town side were robust but not overly physical or big. They didn't dive or kick, crowd the ref or talk back - he did that.

Direct football, where possession is secondary to positioning. The ball is kept but only to create change. He doesn't like 'tippy-tappy football'

Drilled, drilled and drilled again - efficient, orthodox football

 

 

 

2 up top looking like they'll be Wickham and Graham then... both arguably 'target men', neither with any great pace... expect them to get stuck right in though.

[madras]

it's disturbing the way people will throw away everything they believe in, in order to protect something else, like the parent who denies their child can do any wrong despite what they witness.

 

we've seen it before to a lesser degree, liverpool fans defence of suarez and to an even lesser degree the defence on here of andy carroll (ie doesn't matter what he does providing he's playing well for us) but this seems to be on a differing scale and I'm not 100% sure many of our fans wouldn't have reacted in a similar manner.

 

disappointed but not at all surprised that a good few view things that way but a bit taken aback at how many. roles reveresed I wouldn't be going.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Has anyone got anything that shows how much Di Canio spent at Swindon comparative to other teams around them at the time?

 

I think the correct quantitative term is 'A f*** load'.

 

A more accurate quote from Swindon fan friend..

 

"More than the rest of the league put together x 2. Mainly on agent fees and wages. In terms of transfer fees probably c£500k in total."

 

"He'll need to refine his approach as his methods for L1 cannot work for Prem - slagging off players in public, no days off, heavy fitness focus, zero tolerance on drinking etc....Titus Bramble is not going to last a long time!"

[Big Geordie]

Yup - saw the press conference on Look North. High farce isn't the word. Assume that woman in the blue dress was the CE? Looks a bit of alreet (for a mackem!)

[Mick]

The fuss that this has kicked up wouldn't have happened if he'd taken a job down south.

[OzzieMandias]

it's disturbing the way people will throw away everything they believe in, in order to protect something else, like the parent who denies their child can do any wrong despite what they witness.

 

we've seen it before to a lesser degree, liverpool fans defence of suarez and to an even lesser degree the defence on here of andy carroll (ie doesn't matter what he does providing he's playing well for us) but this seems to be on a differing scale and I'm not 100% sure many of our fans wouldn't have reacted in a similar manner.

 

disappointed but not at all surprised that a good few view things that way but a bit taken aback at how many. roles reveresed I wouldn't be going.

 

I think it's quite clear from this thread that among our own ranks we've got a fair few nuggets who would have defended this appointment, had it been us who'd made it.

[Big Geordie]

The fuss that this has kicked up wouldn't have happened if he'd taken a job down south.

 

Reading fans did when he was linked with the job - apparently made the board quite aware di Canio wasn't wanted.

[Mick]

 

 

Reading fans did when he was linked with the job - apparently made the board quite aware di Canio wasn't wanted.

 

Fair enough, I just can't remember too much publicity for this in the past.