TRC Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Nah, he just looks thin next to Allardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Clive Mendonca (sunlan' legend) was apparently in Nissan today for a line-trial. Apparently got a gambling problem and wasted all his money too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Di Canio took over from Martin O'Neill as manager of the Tyneside club in March and has won two of his seven games in charge to help the club avoid relegation. From this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22608572 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Clive Mendonca (sunlan' legend) was apparently in Nissan today for a line-trial. Apparently got a gambling problem and wasted all his money too. Clive Mendonca who scored a hat-trick against Sunderland in the play-off final? Yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 So the PFA say di Canio cannot be "a law unto himself". Obviously don't understand much about fascism in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 He's doing it the wrong way but he's absolutely right with his comments and while I've previously said this ubber disciplinarianism seems like an act of his, perhaps its not. Either way, footballers are far too pampered and there is a huge lack of professionalism in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Players who are potential transfer targets for Sunderland will probably be very wary of signing for a club where the manager is a strict disciplinarian. Di Canio slagging off all the players he wants rid of will drive down the prices Sunderland will get for those players (if they can sell them). A bit like Harry Redknapp slagging off the QPR squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Players who are potential transfer targets for Sunderland will probably be very wary of signing for a club where the manager is a strict disciplinarian. Di Canio slagging off all the players he wants rid of will drive down the prices Sunderland will get for those players (if they can sell them). A bit like Harry Redknapp slagging off the QPR squad. Fucking loony more like it. Still the macums seem to think he's even more of a god than O'Neill was just a short while ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Ferguson's style seems very different to PDC though. I can't imagine Fergie just going out and looking for every little excuse to bollock and fine his players. They may have got the hairdryer treatment on occasion but it was generally justified. Fining players 2 weeks wages for being a bit late or not signing some memorabilia is absurd. He's just picking fights to try and enhance his own reputation as a disciplinarian. Basically, Ferguson would be hard for the good of the team, Di Canio does it for the glorification of Paolo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Plus Ferguson actually had the trophies to justify his disciplinarian streak. Di Canio is a League 1 manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Might work though. To say its authoritarian or dictatorial doesn't mean it won't work. Of course it could go wrong but no more than any other style of motivation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Was that from day one though? It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Was that from day one though? It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public. Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Was that from day one though? It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public. Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career. Big difference between a drinking problem which will likely be affecting not only performances on the pitch but other squad members too and not signing some club tat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. Was that from day one though? It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public. Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career. Big difference between a drinking problem which will likely be affecting not only performances on the pitch but other squad members too and not signing some club tat. If anything McGrath performed better after leaving though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 As I remember he was the ringleader of the drinking culture at the club at the time. From my point of view it seems Ferguson was cutting the head off the snake and the rest of the squad fell into line pretty quickly after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Being investigated by the PFA for fining 7 players already, obviously some of them weren't happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddydog Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Paolo Di Canio: the Sunderland manager who would be Tory leader? With growing discord at Sunderland and within the Conservative party, perhaps a Trading Places-style job swap would be in order Marina Hyde guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 22 May 2013 11.11 BST Paolo Di Canio's diatribe after the Spurs defeat 'sounded like football management for people who don't like football'. Photograph: Lindsey Parnaby/AFP/Getty Images It's a tough call as to whether this will be a longer summer for Sunderland football club or the Conservative party. On the one hand, you've got a rapidly-oxidising leader losing the confidence of his swivel-eyed loons, and on the other, you've got a rapidly-oxidising swivel-eyed loon seemingly losing the confidence of those he leads. A tear seems to have opened up in the rightwing discipline continuum. Following his team's 1-0 defeat to Spurs on Sunday, the Sunderland manager, Paolo Di Canio let rip to the media on the subject of insurrection by his players, with the sort of hardline aggression you can't help feeling would appease the Tories apparently huddled in gentlemen's clubs casting around for Mr Cameron's successor. It had the flavour of one of those conference speeches to the party faithful, as the swivel-eyed loons used to be called, which hit their sweet spot with a series of barnstorming one-liners that would later be watered down for less adulatory consumption. Superficially, it was fairly easy to sympathise with much of Di Canio's keynote address, with that tweeted midweek picture of Phil Bardsley lying on a casino floor covered in £50 notes appearing to be one of football's more open-and-shut doghousings. But the more Di Canio deployed the third person, the harder it was not to be gripped by the unshakeable conviction that he was wildly overplaying his hand. "I tell you we made a miracle," he royal we-ed. "Previously eight games with three points. With Di Canio, seven games and eight points." As the calmer heads of Football365 pointed out, if you were to extrapolate eight points from seven games across the season, Sunderland would have finished with 43 points, as opposed to the 39 they ended up with. Miraculous indeed, if not quite loaves and fishes territory. Just as the Lighthouse Family were once described as soul music for people who don't like soul music, so Di Canio's diatribe sounded like football management for people who don't like football. It cast footballers as overpaid, arrogant, thick, and all the other blah-blah things they're always branded as in the annals of popular cliche. It would have played well with the swivel-eyed loons, who think rugger the only acceptable winter game, with "oikball" largely considered a place where men celebrate goals by kissing each other (the poorest of poor form). Ultimately, of course, Di Canio's world view is Manichean, whereas greater managers allow for grey areas. Whether or not they care to advertise it – Di Canio, of course, advertises everything – a more nuanced managerial mind makes distinctions. Sir Alex Ferguson knew that Roy Keane was the type to need occasional nights off radar, for instance, just as he famously knew it was worth skipping pudding at a black tie dinner in order to make that famous hairdrying housecall on Lee Sharpe and Ryan Giggs, and clip the ear of even the non-playing revellers he found in the house. The sense with Di Canio is that he knows none of such light and shade, nor the value of occasional inconsistency. To him, inconsistency is weakness, whereas to the most skilled it can be a weapon. Di Canio's regime is beginning to sound like the spartan England set-up Fabio Capello imposed in South Africa that drew such an inspirational performance in the 2010 World Cup. According to reports this week, sugar and ketchup have been banned from Sunderland's training ground canteen, and the players' summer holidays are likely to be curtailed. One can only speculate as to the level of fury that will be unleashed if one of them is spotted smoking on their summer holiday. Their manager has ratcheted up the paparazzi bounty for making sure anything that happens in Vegas does not stay there. Our hardline hero's would-be nemesis in all of this will be the PFA chief, Gordon Taylor – a poor man's Arthur Scargill if ever there was one (or rather a rich man's one, considering he's the reportedly highest paid union official in the world). Taylor has broken off from discussing the mental health of various of his more high-profile members, such as Paul Gascoigne and Joey Barton, to fire a warning shot across the Di Canio bows, announcing that he has been called in by several of the disciplined Sunderland players. One suspects Di Canio is so inflexible simply because that is all his nature allows him to be – and at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club, this will likely end up a strategic deficiency. Being at near tribunal-level odds with so many players is a luxury neither he nor the club is likely to be able to afford. As Matt Dickinson pointed out in the Times, some of the seasoned hacks left Di Canio's press conference struggling to disagree in principle with much of his discourse, but muttering, "He'll be gone by Christmas". Still, by that stage there may be a vacancy more suited to his hardline posturing. If you think of those high Tory establishments as British versions of the gentleman's club in Trading Places, where the grandee tycoons hatch their Pygmalion bet on the possibility of making Eddie Murphy a business success at the expense of Dan Ackroyd, then a tantalising possibility suggests itself. When hilarity fails to ensue at the Stadium of Light, I shall daydream of one of the old buffers betting another that they can turn Di Canio into the perfect Tory leader. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/22/paolo-di-canio-sunderland-tory-leader Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Great article that...."at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club" I'm amazed that so many mackems think this publicity is somehow positive....this is about a different but equally scathing article in the Telegraph: It's like the fascism thing all over again. I f*ckin love how talked about we are now. http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=783054#ixzz2U19wdxeu Aye you're talked about alright.... Everyone's saying your manager's a swivel-eyed fascist lunatic, and that your players are utter shitehawks. Though after decades of being ignored, I suppose that counts as progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm. Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO. yes but how often did he throw his players under the bus in public? 99% of the time whatever he may have shouted at them in private he never made it public like Di Canio is and went out of his way to defend his players publicly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddydog Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Great article that...."at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club" Given that The Guardian's NE football correspondent Louise Taylor has previously been outed as a diehard Sunderland fan, I'm imagining that this article will lead to a car park brawl with Martina Hyde at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 really good article, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Given that The Guardian's NE football correspondent Louise Taylor has previously been outed as a diehard Sunderland fan, I'm imagining that this article will lead to a car park brawl with Martina Hyde at some point. I'd watch that....though Hyde best stay clear of Taylor's chompers, she could lose an arm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 "It's a tough call as to whether this will be a longer summer for Sunderland football club or the Conservative party. On the one hand, you've got a rapidly-oxidising leader losing the confidence of his swivel-eyed loons, and on the other, you've got a rapidly-oxidising swivel-eyed loon seemingly losing the confidence of those he leads" ;D "One suspects Di Canio is so inflexible simply because that is all his nature allows him to be – and at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League Club" ;D "I tell you we made a miracle," he royal we-ed. "Previously eight games with three points. With Di Canio, seven games and eight points." As the calmer heads of Football365 pointed out, if you were to extrapolate eight points from seven games across the season, Sunderland would have finished with 43 points, as opposed to the 39 they ended up with. Miraculous indeed, if not quite loaves and fishes territory Amazing that this once proud football club built on working class traditions in a region of coal mining and ship building is now widely lampooned for it's extreme right wing leadership. The guy's gonna be a disaster for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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