sunderland

[David Icke - Son of God]

Plus Ferguson actually had the trophies to justify his disciplinarian streak. Di Canio is a League 1 manager.

[STM]

Might work though. To say its authoritarian or dictatorial doesn't mean it won't work.

 

Of course it could go wrong but no more than any other style of motivation.

[TK-421]

Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm.  Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO.

 

Was that from day one though?

 

It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public.

[Incognito]

Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm.  Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO.

 

Was that from day one though?

 

It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public.

 

 

Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career.

 

[loki679]

Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm.  Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO.

 

Was that from day one though?

 

It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public.

 

 

Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career.

 

 

Big difference between a drinking problem which will likely be affecting not only performances on the pitch but other squad members too and not signing some club tat.

[Incognito]

Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm.  Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO.

 

Was that from day one though?

 

It seems Di Canio has gone in there with all guns blazing, spouting off in the media to anyone who'll listen, which is probably the biggest mistake I think... making all this public.

 

 

Yes, he famously got rid of the best central defender I've seen due to his drinking , very early in his Manchester United career.

 

 

Big difference between a drinking problem which will likely be affecting not only performances on the pitch but other squad members too and not signing some club tat.

 

If anything McGrath performed better after leaving though.

[loki679]

As I remember he was the ringleader of the drinking culture at the club at the time.  From my point of view it seems Ferguson was cutting the head off the snake and the rest of the squad fell into line pretty quickly after that.

[Dokko]

Being investigated by the PFA for fining 7 players already, obviously some of them weren't happy.

[paddydog]

Paolo Di Canio: the Sunderland manager who would be Tory leader?

With growing discord at Sunderland and within the Conservative party, perhaps a Trading Places-style job swap would be in order

 

Marina Hyde

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 22 May 2013 11.11 BST

 

 

Paolo Di Canio's diatribe after the Spurs defeat 'sounded like football management for people who don't like football'. Photograph: Lindsey Parnaby/AFP/Getty Images

It's a tough call as to whether this will be a longer summer for Sunderland football club or the Conservative party. On the one hand, you've got a rapidly-oxidising leader losing the confidence of his swivel-eyed loons, and on the other, you've got a rapidly-oxidising swivel-eyed loon seemingly losing the confidence of those he leads. A tear seems to have opened up in the rightwing discipline continuum.

 

Following his team's 1-0 defeat to Spurs on Sunday, the Sunderland manager, Paolo Di Canio let rip to the media on the subject of insurrection by his players, with the sort of hardline aggression you can't help feeling would appease the Tories apparently huddled in gentlemen's clubs casting around for Mr Cameron's successor. It had the flavour of one of those conference speeches to the party faithful, as the swivel-eyed loons used to be called, which hit their sweet spot with a series of barnstorming one-liners that would later be watered down for less adulatory consumption.

 

Superficially, it was fairly easy to sympathise with much of Di Canio's keynote address, with that tweeted midweek picture of Phil Bardsley lying on a casino floor covered in £50 notes appearing to be one of football's more open-and-shut doghousings. But the more Di Canio deployed the third person, the harder it was not to be gripped by the unshakeable conviction that he was wildly overplaying his hand. "I tell you we made a miracle," he royal we-ed. "Previously eight games with three points. With Di Canio, seven games and eight points." As the calmer heads of Football365 pointed out, if you were to extrapolate eight points from seven games across the season, Sunderland would have finished with 43 points, as opposed to the 39 they ended up with. Miraculous indeed, if not quite loaves and fishes territory.

 

Just as the Lighthouse Family were once described as soul music for people who don't like soul music, so Di Canio's diatribe sounded like football management for people who don't like football. It cast footballers as overpaid, arrogant, thick, and all the other blah-blah things they're always branded as in the annals of popular cliche. It would have played well with the swivel-eyed loons, who think rugger the only acceptable winter game, with "oikball" largely considered a place where men celebrate goals by kissing each other (the poorest of poor form).

 

Ultimately, of course, Di Canio's world view is Manichean, whereas greater managers allow for grey areas. Whether or not they care to advertise it – Di Canio, of course, advertises everything – a more nuanced managerial mind makes distinctions. Sir Alex Ferguson knew that Roy Keane was the type to need occasional nights off radar, for instance, just as he famously knew it was worth skipping pudding at a black tie dinner in order to make that famous hairdrying housecall on Lee Sharpe and Ryan Giggs, and clip the ear of even the non-playing revellers he found in the house.

 

The sense with Di Canio is that he knows none of such light and shade, nor the value of occasional inconsistency. To him, inconsistency is weakness, whereas to the most skilled it can be a weapon. Di Canio's regime is beginning to sound like the spartan England set-up Fabio Capello imposed in South Africa that drew such an inspirational performance in the 2010 World Cup. According to reports this week, sugar and ketchup have been banned from Sunderland's training ground canteen, and the players' summer holidays are likely to be curtailed. One can only speculate as to the level of fury that will be unleashed if one of them is spotted smoking on their summer holiday. Their manager has ratcheted up the paparazzi bounty for making sure anything that happens in Vegas does not stay there.

 

Our hardline hero's would-be nemesis in all of this will be the PFA chief, Gordon Taylor – a poor man's Arthur Scargill if ever there was one (or rather a rich man's one, considering he's the reportedly highest paid union official in the world). Taylor has broken off from discussing the mental health of various of his more high-profile members, such as Paul Gascoigne and Joey Barton, to fire a warning shot across the Di Canio bows, announcing that he has been called in by several of the disciplined Sunderland players.

 

One suspects Di Canio is so inflexible simply because that is all his nature allows him to be – and at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club, this will likely end up a strategic deficiency. Being at near tribunal-level odds with so many players is a luxury neither he nor the club is likely to be able to afford. As Matt Dickinson pointed out in the Times, some of the seasoned hacks left Di Canio's press conference struggling to disagree in principle with much of his discourse, but muttering, "He'll be gone by Christmas".

 

Still, by that stage there may be a vacancy more suited to his hardline posturing. If you think of those high Tory establishments as British versions of the gentleman's club in Trading Places, where the grandee tycoons hatch their Pygmalion bet on the possibility of making Eddie Murphy a business success at the expense of Dan Ackroyd, then a tantalising possibility suggests itself. When hilarity fails to ensue at the Stadium of Light, I shall daydream of one of the old buffers betting another that they can turn Di Canio into the perfect Tory leader.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/may/22/paolo-di-canio-sunderland-tory-leader

[bhoywhonder]

Great article that...."at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club" 

 

I'm amazed that so many mackems think this publicity is somehow positive....this is about a different but equally scathing article in the Telegraph:

 

It's like the fascism thing all over again. I f*ckin love how talked about we are now.

 

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=783054#ixzz2U19wdxeu

 

 

Aye you're talked about alright.... Everyone's saying your manager's a swivel-eyed fascist lunatic, and that your players are utter shitehawks. Though after decades of being ignored, I suppose that counts as progress.

[jdckelly]

Ferguson was the strictest disciplinarian going IMO, it did them no harm.  Just have to have the right culture, team, environment, success and this approach works very well IMO.

yes but how often did he throw his players under the bus in public? 99% of the time whatever he may have shouted at them in private he never made it public like Di Canio is and went out of his way to defend his players publicly

[paddydog]

Great article that...."at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League club" 

 

Given that The Guardian's NE football correspondent Louise Taylor has previously been outed as a diehard Sunderland fan, I'm imagining that this article will lead to a car park brawl with Martina Hyde at some point.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

really good article, that.

[bhoywhonder]

Given that The Guardian's NE football correspondent Louise Taylor has previously been outed as a diehard Sunderland fan, I'm imagining that this article will lead to a car park brawl with Martina Hyde at some point.

 

I'd watch that....though Hyde best stay clear of Taylor's chompers, she could lose an arm.

[Benwell Lad]

"It's a tough call as to whether this will be a longer summer for Sunderland football club or the Conservative party. On the one hand, you've got a rapidly-oxidising leader losing the confidence of his swivel-eyed loons, and on the other, you've got a rapidly-oxidising swivel-eyed loon seemingly losing the confidence of those he leads" ;D

 

"One suspects Di Canio is so inflexible simply because that is all his nature allows him to be – and at a comparative church mouse of a Premier League Club" ;D

 

"I tell you we made a miracle," he royal we-ed. "Previously eight games with three points. With Di Canio, seven games and eight points." As the calmer heads of Football365 pointed out, if you were to extrapolate eight points from seven games across the season, Sunderland would have finished with 43 points, as opposed to the 39 they ended up with. Miraculous indeed, if not quite loaves and fishes territory

 

Amazing that this once proud football club built on working class traditions in a region of coal mining and ship building is now widely lampooned for it's extreme right wing leadership. The guy's gonna be a disaster for them.

[Varadi]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

[Guest Roger Kint]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

[GuyP]

"I tell you we made a miracle," he royal we-ed. "Previously eight games with three points. With Di Canio, seven games and eight points." As the calmer heads of Football365 pointed out, if you were to extrapolate eight points from seven games across the season, Sunderland would have finished with 43 points, as opposed to the 39 they ended up with. Miraculous indeed, if not quite loaves and fishes territory

 

This line is amazing like

[TRon]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

[TRon]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

You were putting it in context of one game, I get that. I was just putting it in a bigger context because I don't think anyone is moaning about a one off result.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

You were putting it in context of one game, I get that. I was just putting it in a bigger context because I don't think anyone is moaning about a one off result.

 

You mean like the post i quoted saying it exactly in the context of one game? Good work there.

 

Edit: For the record theres lots of shite results over the last few seasons to go back over so your context was pretty much worthless based on the discussion of that one game.

[TRon]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

You were putting it in context of one game, I get that. I was just putting it in a bigger context because I don't think anyone is moaning about a one off result.

 

You mean like the post i quoted saying it exactly in the context of one game? Good work there.

 

Edit: For the record theres lots of shite results over the last few seasons to go back over so your context was pretty much worthless based on the discussion of that one game.

 

We lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland, followed by a 6-0 thrashing at home to Liverpool. Put those in whichever context you like but I'd suggest there were underlying issues of managerial shiteness.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

You were putting it in context of one game, I get that. I was just putting it in a bigger context because I don't think anyone is moaning about a one off result.

 

You mean like the post i quoted saying it exactly in the context of one game? Good work there.

 

Edit: For the record theres lots of shite results over the last few seasons to go back over so your context was pretty much worthless based on the discussion of that one game.

 

We lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland, followed by a 6-0 thrashing at home to Liverpool. Put those in whichever context you like but I'd suggest there were underlying issues of managerial shiteness.

 

Aye almost completely blameless those people on the pitch its clearly all the managers failings i get your point. Again why you insist on dragging the next game into a point which was purely about a pivotal moment in a different game is beyond me. Maybe you feel you havent whinged about Pardew enough in the other threads so have to compensate with this?

[TRon]

Much as I would love to laugh at their potential predicament I remain uncomfortably aware that they spanked us 3-0 on our own patch with half their team missing and this clown in charge. 

 

Yet a linesmans mistake could have made it 1-1 just as easily as those two worldy's flying made it a spanking.

 

It was still 3-0 at the end of the day on our own turf. Just like it was another 6-0 spanking at home next time out.

 

Of course it was, well done for ignoring the point though that we scored a valid goal which would have changed the game and possibly the outcome. Wasnt aware of anything in my post linked to the disgrace the following week actually so cheers for saying it for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

 

You were putting it in context of one game, I get that. I was just putting it in a bigger context because I don't think anyone is moaning about a one off result.

 

You mean like the post i quoted saying it exactly in the context of one game? Good work there.

 

Edit: For the record theres lots of shite results over the last few seasons to go back over so your context was pretty much worthless based on the discussion of that one game.

 

We lost 3-0 at home to Sunderland, followed by a 6-0 thrashing at home to Liverpool. Put those in whichever context you like but I'd suggest there were underlying issues of managerial shiteness.

 

Aye almost completely blameless those people on the pitch its clearly all the managers failings i get your point. Again why you insist on dragging the next game into a point which was purely about a pivotal moment in a different game is beyond me. Maybe you feel you havent whinged about Pardew enough in the other threads so have to compensate with this?

 

What you call whingeing, I call valid points backed up with reasoning. They might not be right but feel free to point out the flaws in the arguments, that's the point of this place isn't it?