Guest Tyson Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just hope that Pardew, for just one game, doesn't prepare a specific game-plan (and with it compromising the formation) to nullafy Pulis' anti-football pattern of play. In attack Stoke play for stoppages in their attacking half, and batter teams in the box. They're much more structured & methodical than the Wimbledon Crazy Gang teams, hence they're tough to prepare against. You just have to be mentally ready for the physical challenge etc that Stoke offers. Personally i think Pulis (at least on the field) is bringing the game into disrepute, and there are others too. I'm not Mancini's biggest fan, but fair play to him for recently refusing to to acknowledge him (shake his hand iirc) post game. The football Pulis coaches (or the dog's breakfast that it is) isn't in the spirit of the game,. It's impossible to dock them points but looking at the bigger picture the FA has to grow some balls and set a precedent, for the good of the game in this country - at least from a player development aspect, and we're far behind the Germans atm. If clubs like Stoke willingly & continue to employ an anti-football philosophy, by employing specialist anti-football coaches as a means of ensuring they pick up their annual slice of the premiership moneytrain, then penalise them financially. The likes of Pulis & Allardyce (ie. survival specialists, who are the anti-thesis of actually developing players technically), with their ideas, will eventually be phased out of the game if clubs come to the realisation that they're poisoned chalices. Most people hate the way they play, but f*** me man, this post. They're not the only ones. Bolton played this kind of football for years, Greece won Euro 2004 with similar tactics. Before we switched to 4-3-3 the quality of our football was mainly crap, were we bringing the game into disrepute? I hate them and would love to see them go down, but we went to their ground this season and bossed them winning comfortably and I'm sure we can do the same on Saturday. There's no need to be so dramatic and OTT otherwise the deluded geordies s**** will start getting peddled again. It's blushworthy to mention the Greek winning Euro effort in the same as breath as the Stoke Way. Sure Greece won it with a hit & run effort, they parked the bus throughout the tourney, the difference being they were an efficient counterattacking unit (that was capable of linking together some incisive through balls, on the deck) that hit you with width, namely through their fullbacks ie. Seitaridis in particular. In addition i didn't solely isolate Stoke into this anti-football bracket. I even went so far to mention that the likes of TP and Allardyce (at club level) have created a niche market for similar thinking managers, and a route for clubs that simply want to survive and pick up their annual TV rights paycheck. With regards to Pardew, and the ugly football that was served up prior to the 433 switch, hereby utilizing the potential on offer from the current forward trio. That was acknowledged & called-for adnauseum, in a few threads, by myself included. It seems that you have a short memory. Pardew's ideas have evolved, and more importantly when the stakes have been at a premium. And for that he has received due credit. Pulis has had four years to evolve, with the sort of money (courtesy of a cup-run most recently) a club like Swansea would only dream about, and would put to good use. For instance Swansea are defensive leader and a killer-ball-playing creator (to convert their possession numbers & attractive build-up play into more straight-edge scoring opportunities) away from mustering up a sustained shot (over a long campaign) for a Europa spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Also mate, the FA gave Stuart Pearce a job coaching the youngsters of the country. A guy who is publicly proud to say he'd rather play direct, long ball football than a passing, possession game. Until changes are made at all levels of international football for England, the way teams like Stoke play is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I genuinely couldn't give a fuck how they play in all honesty, they aren't breaking any rules and people only claim that they are when they fail to beat them with their superior football. I mean I'll watch another game when they're on if I can, but if I have to watch them it hardly ruins my week (other than when they raped us 4-0). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just hope we can win as it'll Pulis into 4th. I'm pretty confident we can deal with their Huth ball like, in fact i'd be suprised if they manages a Shotton target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anyone else really stoked about this game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just hope we can win as it'll Pulis into 4th. I'm pretty confident we can deal with their Huth ball like, in fact i'd be suprised if they manages a Shotton target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just hope we can win as it'll Pulis into 4th. I'm pretty confident we can deal with their Huth ball like, in fact i'd be suprised if they manages a Shotton target. Just hope we don't throw it away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Same here, 4-3-3 and the points should be ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Same here, 4-4-3 and the points should be ours. Unless we're playing without a keeper, they might just get the points if we field 12 men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Agreed,let's not confuse things. We played a bit like we did against Stoke when we played swansea but we should e looking at more possession against stoke and going at them, they will not be able to handle our front three if we set ourselves up right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Unless we're playing without a keeper, they might just get the points if we field 12 men. It's late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pont-toon Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I just hope we can win as it'll Pulis into 4th. I'm pretty confident we can deal with their Huth ball like, in fact i'd be suprised if they manages a Shotton target. 3 points will potters in a great position to challenge for 3rd/4th - might even end up trenting world wide on twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Playing the bibs game from the earlier training pics - Colo, Santon, Tiote, Jonas, Cabaye, Ba, Ben Arfa and Cisse all with bibs on. Fingers crossed for a 4-3-3 and also that Santon plays, which I think he will after drawing praise from Pardew last week. We've got nothing to lose now, let's give 4th spot a really good go and be positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 bunch of cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oatcakejamie Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 it will be a tough game but i can see u getting a point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 You sure are a rascal, Jamie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 You really are a clown. Have a look at this. http://i.imgur.com/pInHO.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Wigan. Wolves. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Wigan's run has been mental like, probably the hardest run in the league as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Would be amazing to make that last 6 block all green with a win over these bunch of ugly footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Stokes away record is bloody awful, and theyve got nowt to play for. We really should win this one, 3-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Please tell me this Stoke fan isn't planning on sticking around after the game? Seems to be a right twat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Also mate, the FA gave Stuart Pearce a job coaching the youngsters of the country. A guy who is publicly proud to say he'd rather play direct, long ball football than a passing, possession game. Until changes are made at all levels of international football for England, the way teams like Stoke play is irrelevant. English football (from the u19 to senior team), on the international front, has suffered from an identity crisis for ages now. Platt (who once oversaw the coaching of the kids) brought his continental resume to the table, and the technical base of coaching of followed suit. His preference for technical football was in contrast to the mish-mash of ideas put on display by the senior team's management. You're right there needs to be consistency, in the coaching approach, throughout the age levels. But you're also undervaluing the clubs' input. Aside from the youth tourneys, friendlies & periodic training camps it's the clubs' managers who are collectively laying down the groundwork, during the transition phase of making the grade from the u19/u21 age brackets to training with & playing against 1st team professionals. For better or worse and for nearly 40 weeks of the year the Allardyces & Pulis' (the anti-football specialists) are in charge of moulding the kids' respective skillsets, and Big Sam was noted in my original argument so don't pidgeonhole it as purely a Stoke vs The Rest of the World thing. To put my argument into greater context, i'll put forward the following question. As the immediate beneficiary of Tony Carr's excellent work (as a talent spotter, and yth coach) do you trust Allardyce in his new found position of being the nurturer (of raw talent, within the age bracket or development just mentioned) at a club which has a catchement area rich in potential to draw from? No need to run through the lengthy list but this is a catchment area that has effectively been a production line for the big clubs, and the England team, after the Hammers had intially moulded them into near-finished articles. Fat Sam & Carr, as a clashing set of football philosophies, is the greatest collaborative mismatch in English club football atm. If you answer yes to the above question then you're overlooking a major crux of the big-picture argument. In the case of Stoke (given they're armed with some cash now courtesy of a surprise Europa run, and 4 years of EPL generated revenues - and they're capable of offering competive wage packages to the U21 kids) heaven forbid if Pulis acquires a few Klynes in the near future, or athletically gifted kids who actually have ball-playing ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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