Mathieu Debuchy

[The College Dropout]

SAF likes workhorses regardless of their position. Not the best example to single out Young and Valencia for this quality in helping out the FBs.

 

Protection can be afforded in other manners. Barca had a defensive FB the opposite of Dani Alves so there's always 3 defenders in a counter-attack. Busquets also drops back to help out too.

 

They also have 70% possession. Most teams are so inferior they just want a respectable scoreline. We aren't in that position. Regardless Santon's not a stay at home FB anyway so that comparison doesn't work.

 

Man Utd does not have Barca-esque possession either and they still play with 2 attacking FBs. All you need is to have one of the FB staying back when the other is attacking. Or do you think only with hardworking wingers will any system work?

 

They often play with 2 hard working wingers like i've already said. In his pomp Evra was a fantastic defender and Rafael is pretty solid. For a couple seasons Rafael was a legitimate liability however. AND they play CB's at FB on a pretty regular basis.

[LRD]

So playing with hardworking wingers is the ONLY option for us?

[The College Dropout]

Pretty certain I already mentioned the two sitting midfielders. Could play 3 at the back. Could change manager and bring in one with a different philosophy.

 

I don't understand why hard-working wingers is such a dirty word. It's been part of the DNA have the most successful PL team.

[LRD]

Whoever mentioned that hardworking wingers is a dirty word? It's one of the options but not the only one. The thing is that you go about that as the only option for Debuchy/NUFC and disregarded when other possible solutions are given. As for being part of the most successful PL manager, I wouldn't take into isolation the high workrate SAF requires of ALL his players.

[The College Dropout]

Whoever mentioned that hardworking wingers is a dirty word? It's one of the options but not the only one. The thing is that you go about that as the only option for Debuchy/NUFC and disregarded when other possible solutions are given. As for being part of the most successful PL manager, I wouldn't take into isolation the high workrate SAF requires of ALL his players.

 

What other possibilities? This awesome FB that doesn't need any protection? The rampaging FB? A whole new manager with a different philosophy.

 

 

We have Debuchy and Pardew.

[LRD]

You must not have read my earlier posts regarding the alternatives before jumping into the debate then.

 

Using Pardew as a get-out card now.

[The College Dropout]

All I will say is, I wish we could've brought in someone more solid defensively who could cope with Hatem in front of him. I know we've done well recently but we'll lose a lot points this season if Hatem's sitting on the bench when we need him out there getting us out of trouble.

 

That's the only alternative i've seen. A player we don't have on our books, which I don't think would work anyway.

[LRD]

Tiote or Anita could drop back to cover as an auxiliary defender when Debuchy goes on the attack. Especially Anita who has had experience playing that role to great effect at Ajax.

 

One of the FBs could be asked to stay back when other attacks. Man Utd and Arsenal are two of those teams that play with 2 attacking FBs. We could do the same with some adjustments, not that I am comparing us at the same level here.

 

All these require a change in teamplay so you won't need to bring in someone not in our books.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think Debuchy is any weaker defensively than the vast majority of FBs anyway really. He is getting better at timing his forward runs.

[The College Dropout]

Tiote or Anita could drop back to cover as an auxiliary defender when Debuchy goes on the attack. Especially Anita who has had experience playing that role to great effect at Ajax.

 

One of the FBs could be asked to stay back when other attacks. Man Utd and Arsenal are two of those teams that play with 2 attacking FBs. We could do the same with some adjustments, not that I am comparing us at the same level here.

 

All these require a change in teamplay so you won't need to bring in someone not in our books.

 

That's not really true though is it. Man Utd. tend to play with hard working wide men anyway. They also often play a natural CB at FB. And they often just leave the 2 CB's at the back by themselves.

 

Arsenal do it but they pretty much always play a midfield 3. They also dominate possession mostly.

[KDT]

When Rafael is fit he's first choice, they could do with buying an improvement on him as neither Jones or Smalling are convincing replacements.

[LRD]

Man Utd season 12/13 - Evra 34 league apps, Rafael 28. Their options when Rafael is unavailable is either your CBs (Smalling or Jones) or Valencia as they do not have a 2nd specialist RB.

 

Spurs, Everton play with 2 attacking FBs. They don't dominate possession.

 

Guess you have no issue about Tiote/Anita dropping back to be an auxiliary defender then.

[The College Dropout]

Man Utd season 12/13 - Evra 34 league apps, Rafael 28. Their options when Rafael is unavailable is either your CBs (Smalling or Jones) or Valencia as they do not have a 2nd specialist RB.

 

Spurs, Everton play with 2 attacking FBs. They don't dominate possession.

 

Guess you have no issue about Tiote/Anita dropping back to be an auxiliary defender then.

 

Evra's has been a fine defender, Rafel's a good one. In a team of the season I read they had Valencia/Welbeck in the wide spots. Two very hardworking players. This only further demonstrates my point.

 

Everton have the other example I used - have wide players so good going forward they force their opponents back. I suggested that as a possibility but as we've seen this season, that won't work. Everton dominate possession this season.

 

Spurs do dominate possession and have the most athletic right side in the league.

 

 

I don't know what youre trying to say. We play a 4-4-2. We don't have a spare man to drop in defence.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Nobody really has much sustained success unless 95% of their players are grafting hard.

[Spudil]

Nobody really has much sustained success unless 95% of their players are grafting hard.

 

What a fantastically meaningless typical Ian W post.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Nobody really has much sustained success unless 95% of their players are grafting hard.

 

What a fantastically meaningless typical Ian W post.

 

Step off muthafucka.

[LRD]

Man Utd season 12/13 - Evra 34 league apps, Rafael 28. Their options when Rafael is unavailable is either your CBs (Smalling or Jones) or Valencia as they do not have a 2nd specialist RB.

 

Spurs, Everton play with 2 attacking FBs. They don't dominate possession.

 

Guess you have no issue about Tiote/Anita dropping back to be an auxiliary defender then.

 

Evra's has been a fine defender, Rafel's a good one. In a team of the season I read they had Valencia/Welbeck in the wide spots. Two very hardworking players. This only further demonstrates my point.

 

Everton have the other example I used - have wide players so good going forward they force their opponents back. I suggested that as a possibility but as we've seen this season, that won't work. Everton dominate possession this season.

 

Spurs do dominate possession and have the most athletic right side in the league.

 

 

I don't know what youre trying to say. We play a 4-4-2. We don't have a spare man to drop in defence.

 

If anything it demonstrates you need a hardworking team. SAF has always demanded good work ethics for the whole team and not just the wingers in isolation.

 

I have nothing against workhorses but again you speak as if that's the only viable option.

 

You talk of Barca and Arsenal dominating possession, I give you that. And then you mention Everton and Spurs dominating possession in the same breath.

 

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Aye, dominating possession.

 

We do not play a simple 4-4-2. Sissoko often drifts into the middle when Debuchy/we are attacking. That's 3 players in the middle affording protection when needed. Even in a flat 4-4-2, you could always demand a FB holding his defence when the other is attacking.

 

Nee idea why you think hardworking wingers are the be-all-and-end-all, discounting all other alternatives without proper thought. You always loathe to concede ground in your footballing opinions no matter how good/bad they are.

[The College Dropout]

Man Utd season 12/13 - Evra 34 league apps, Rafael 28. Their options when Rafael is unavailable is either your CBs (Smalling or Jones) or Valencia as they do not have a 2nd specialist RB.

 

Spurs, Everton play with 2 attacking FBs. They don't dominate possession.

 

Guess you have no issue about Tiote/Anita dropping back to be an auxiliary defender then.

 

Evra's has been a fine defender, Rafel's a good one. In a team of the season I read they had Valencia/Welbeck in the wide spots. Two very hardworking players. This only further demonstrates my point.

 

Everton have the other example I used - have wide players so good going forward they force their opponents back. I suggested that as a possibility but as we've seen this season, that won't work. Everton dominate possession this season.

 

Spurs do dominate possession and have the most athletic right side in the league.

 

 

I don't know what youre trying to say. We play a 4-4-2. We don't have a spare man to drop in defence.

 

If anything it demonstrates you need a hardworking team. SAF has always demanded good work ethics for the whole team and not just the wingers in isolation.

 

I have nothing against workhorses but again you speak as if that's the only viable option.

 

You talk of Barca and Arsenal dominating possession, I give you that. And then you mention Everton and Spurs dominating possession in the same breath.

 

http://i.imgur.com/dSTnS3s.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/2chD4Fd.png

 

Aye, dominating possession.

 

We do not play a simple 4-4-2. Sissoko often drifts into the middle when Debuchy/we are attacking. That's 3 players in the middle affording protection when needed. Even in a flat 4-4-2, you could always demand a FB holding his defence when the other is attacking.

 

Nee idea why you think hardworking wingers are the be-all-and-end-all, discounting all other alternatives without proper thought. You always loathe to concede ground in your footballing opinions no matter how good/bad they are.

 

You're an idiot. If it wasn't Friday afternoon I would give up on you.

 

The reason hard-working winger is because (surprise surprise) I want a hard working team. Hard working components = hard working team. Do you understand this?

 

Spurs (5) and Everton (3) are in the top 5 for possession in the league. So yeah, checkmate.

[LRD]

You're an idiot. If it wasn't Friday afternoon I would give up on you.

 

The reason hard-working winger is because (surprise surprise) I want a hard working team. Hard working components = hard working team. Do you understand this?

 

Spurs (5) and Everton (3) are in the top 5 for possession in the league. So yeah, checkmate.

 

Not the first time you've retorted to name-calling after being called out for your BS.

 

I've nothing against hardworking wingers/team but to think that's the only solution to Debuchy being exposed on his attacks is just short-sighted.

 

Dominating possession at the level of Barca and Arsenal at 57%? Might as well say 51% possession impresses you as much.

 

[The College Dropout]

Both of them have more possession than Arsenal but whatever mate.

[healthyaddiction]

Average possession for the season at 58% is very high tbf.  If you look at the site where you got those values you'll see throughout the years of the premier league the highest average they have recorded is 60%.

[Optimistic Nut]

Fucking superb again.

[Barnes23]

Excellent performance .

[Kanji]

I love this fucking guy

[Guest palnese]

I love him. Not a man crush, or a fling, or owt like that. I proper love him.