Amir_9 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'm not being hyperbole. He's f***ing s*** and pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. And I really don't understand how he seems to constantly escape criticism from some people, when it's clear as day he is gash and offers as much as Colback does who gets slaughtered on a daily basis. They are both as shit as each other. Looking at the goal last night, what the fuck was he doing on the edge of the box? Dangling his little foot in half heartedly. He's fucking crap, he drops right in next the the CB's to get the ball, then gives it the the CB's. What's the fucking point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. And I really don't understand how he seems to constantly escape criticism from some people, when it's clear as day he is gash and offers as much as Colback does who gets slaughtered on a daily basis. They are both as s*** as each other. Looking at the goal last night, what the f*** was he doing on the edge of the box? Dangling his little foot in half heartedly. He's f***ing crap, he drops right in next the the CB's to get the ball, then gives it the the CB's. What's the f***ing point? That was my point though. His role is to link the defence and midfield when we have the ball but if there's literally no movement and no interest of anyone in front of him to take the ball then what is he supposed to do? I can't really comment on the goal because I didn't get a good look at it from where I was sitting but Anita tried to be urgent yesterday and I from what I saw I couldn't blame him for what was nothing in front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Again though, it's excuses for him and not blaming him. Colback was doing the exact same thing against Watford, yet it was all his fault that time, not the players around him. Sometimes you just have to say it how it is. It's not the other players fault that anita is not very good, it's just the fact that he is not very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I guess we disagree. That's not to say I'm anywhere close to happy with any midfield partnership we've put together mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Both Anita and/or Jack Spratt would be a back up at very best at the moment. Thankfully though, we sold our other alternative whilst not buying anymore (seemingly Wijnaldum isn't trusted to sit) so we are forced to muddle through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I guess we disagree. That's not to say I'm anywhere close to happy with any midfield partnership we've put together mind. This is true, it's alarming we can't put any kind of midfield together without being completely overrun every match, no matter who the opposition is. Singling any one player out is a little futile I suppose when in fact they are all a bag of shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 A boy in a man's world is a very accurate description of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's all he ever does. If he's not going to a player in an advanced position, he's just another player sitting deep not available for a forward pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. For that to work, Anita would have to be a very good long passer and he isn't, well he might be but he doesn't take any risks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. If the CB's are very good at passing. Arguably better than the DM. Perhaps the DM himself moves up the pitch and leaves distribution to the defeners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. If the CB's are very good at passing. Arguably better than the DM. Perhaps the DM himself moves up the pitch and leaves distribution to the defeners? The point of the tactic is about reworking space, drawing out their forward line (creating gaps) and pushing full backs up higher. It's not just for keeping the ball, it's to allow more open patterns of play higher up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Call me crazy, but if all else fails I'd give Anita a bash in an advanced role, his passing is accurate and crisp and without the defensive restraints I think he would be decent getting the ball wide and through balls to whoever is up front. Would be helpful on a counter attack too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. If the CB's are very good at passing. Arguably better than the DM. Perhaps the DM himself moves up the pitch and leaves distribution to the defeners? The point of the tactic is about reworking space, drawing out their forward line (creating gaps) and pushing full backs up higher. It's not just for keeping the ball, it's to allow more open patterns of play higher up the pitch. Fair enough but it hasn't worked at all. I believe the team in general is mean to really push up but it doesn't happen. None of our drabs of good play this season has come as a result of the tactic. We move the ball slowly and sideways a lot. Allowing opposition to close spaces easily. I've seen no signs of it looking like it's about to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Call me crazy, but if all else fails I'd give Anita a bash in an advanced role, his passing is accurate and crisp and without the defensive restraints I think he would be decent getting the ball wide and through balls to whoever is up front. Would be helpful on a counter attack too. You're nuts. He can't even manage a forward pass with the whole game infront of him. With less time and space he's not going to show more ambition on the ball mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I really don't get the criticism of him last night. He was the only player on the pitch who had an ounce of urgency about him. He moved into space, looked to release the ball quickly and there wasn't an ounce of movement in front of him so was forced to go backwards. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times someone within a close passing distance actually made a move towards the ball for him and then progressed forwards, it was always instantly returned. Although it is pointless having a player on the pitch that is a link between the back line and the offensive players if none of them are interested. We may as well just hoof it. No he didn't, he passed it sideways to Lascelles and Williamson and back again all night. Possession for Possessions sake. Must say the split centre backs thing is potentially suitable when you have good distributors - like Colo and Mbemba are, to be fair to them - but it's absolutely useless when the 3 taking part are Williamson, Lascelles and Anita. Only one of them can pass and he very rarely shows any range at all. If the CB's are very good at passing. Arguably better than the DM. Perhaps the DM himself moves up the pitch and leaves distribution to the defeners? The point of the tactic is about reworking space, drawing out their forward line (creating gaps) and pushing full backs up higher. It's not just for keeping the ball, it's to allow more open patterns of play higher up the pitch. Fair enough but it hasn't worked at all. I believe the team in general is mean to really push up but it doesn't happen. None of our drabs of good play this season has come as a result of the tactic. We move the ball slowly and sideways a lot. Allowing opposition to close spaces easily. I've seen no signs of it looking like it's about to work. It has actually worked well once this season, de Jong's chance against Watford was a result of it. Pretty sure Wijnaldum's chance against Southampton came from it too. Not that that's great, like. It requires some risk-takers to play it, like Mbemba did against Watford on a couple of occasions, but we don't have enough wanting to take the responsibility. Problem is, what are the other options? We just give the ball away playing a bit more direct and don't compete for second balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Call me crazy, but if all else fails I'd give Anita a bash in an advanced role, his passing is accurate and crisp and without the defensive restraints I think he would be decent getting the ball wide and through balls to whoever is up front. Would be helpful on a counter attack too. You're nuts. He can't even manage a forward pass with the whole game infront of him. With less time and space he's not going to show more ambition on the ball mate. That's funny because I remember quite a few forward passes from him on Wed. Out to wings or some decent over the top balls towards De Jong. He has more awareness than the rest of them and sees the angles. Jack Sidepass is a lot worse in his movement and passing. Anita never stops moving and is quick to release the ball. If he had 2 decent midfielders in front of him it would be great but none of them show for the ball and let themselves get marked tight meaning the only ball he can play is to the side or back a lot of time. Him, Janmaat and Mbemba are the only three players that looked like they gave a shit / had any level of quality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I agree about the other 3 but thought Anita could have done more to pass forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I've read alternate views, but to me Vurn was one of the few who put in solid performances against Sheff Wed: no shame, no blame on him for result. That said, my 'few' include Lascelles, Williamson and Obertan! I don't even think defence is our issue any more. It's the 3 attacking midfielders and striker losing ball so much and creating fuck all meaning ball comes straight back and we are under pressure time and time again. Every time the back 4 or deep midfielder has ball there is no one trying to slot into space or taking their marker for a run to open up space. It's pedestrian i think this is right, little vurn is doing what's asked of him but he can't make the more attack-minded (!) players move into space like he does looking for passes it's alright saying he should pass forwards but unless he's under instructions to go long or direct then he's not going to do it, and rightly so when he hasn't got the ball is a different matter though obvs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 When Anita doesn't have the ball he is an absolute waste of a shirt. I'm sick of seeing him backpedal so far that he's 5 yards off his man on the edge of our area. He's so scared of any physical battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 When Anita doesn't have the ball he is an absolute waste of a shirt. I'm sick of seeing him backpedal so far that he's 5 yards off his man on the edge of our area. He's so scared of any physical battle. He's not alone in this mind but yeah for the most part this is fairly true. We need a serious upgrade in January if there is any hope of staying up. Might be over by then tbf mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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