Lotus Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One third of the players out there today don't belong at this level, so it's not all his fault. Tactically he's looking more clueless by the game, though. I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. Willo isn't singularly the problem. He hits it long because we don't use the midfield because we are team that like to go direct. Also, are you actually criticising the fans for wanting our team to attack Swansea at home?? For real?? Tactically, we weren't much different today. 4-4-2, little movement, pump it long often. Tried to play it around a bit, felt unfamiliar, go long again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. Ditto. :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vinkent Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 All I can think of at the minute is Pards doing an Obama style "8 more years" pitch in a press conference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely s*** at playing players at their full strength? f***ing fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is f***ing weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, f*** no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget? Sure, we tried to play a bit higher, but usually we just lumped the ball to Ba and hoped for the best. Either that, or rightfully just let Ben Arfa work his magic on his won. "That's" not what "we" wanted ffs. Unfortunately this team, with Pardew in charge, just lack any real attacking football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. This tbh. I just feel the changes are obvious and he can't see them. That said, I don't know the day-to-day inside workings of the club so my opinion is clearly biased from one signt into the club 90 minutes a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. This. Where can I put money on the inevitable Senegal excuse? Agree. He'll say he had to change the system in the last moment because of Cisse missing out. Something like that can always happen, when a player gets injured close to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. Yep. It takes a talented manager to turn all that goodwill against him so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The seeds for the current malaise were sown a year ago - even when we were winning last season there were issues and causes for concern bubbling away underneath the good results. Training 4 days out of 5 on defending the opposition, and never really forging a team identity or style, might get results in the short term, but as we're seeing it's unsustainable over longer periods. Pardew needs to have a wholesale change in his entire approach - which is a big ask. If he simply retreats into his conservative, safety first approach where attacking consists entirely of players trying to do things on their own then we are fucked with him in charge. I don't think Pardew has the ability to turn it around in a short space of time as he is paying for the consequences of his own decisions over the past year. This isn't a simple matter of 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 - it's far bigger than that. so it may well get worse before it gets better - if it gets better. Seems his record at one or two previous clubs is worryingly similar to what is going on here - start well, talk a good game and gradually get exposed when your side begins to slump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Poll needs reseting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I haven't really seen anything this season to suggest the way we play is down to a formation. We've been poor no matter how we've lined up, it's as if they aren't made to pass and move in training . We just have no cohesion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thing that surprises me is, we aren't particularly solid at the back either. Sure, we're not incisive and clever upfront, but we can't really keep teams at bay either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely s*** at playing players at their full strength? f***ing fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is f***ing weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, f*** no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget? He has to take some of the blame. Its clear we emphasize the defensive aspects of our side & as a result we do not look fluid going forwards & rely on individual ability. Its simply not working this season with the injuries in midfield/defence. So he has to rethink this approach & take some of the flack for these results. Agree with that. He has a part and he has to do his work since he's got paid. Just that I put blames on management and the players more on Pardew today. West Ham is a disaster. Today is actually an improvement prior to their goal. I expected that would come since we NEVER keep a clean sheet with Willo + high line. Never. The midfielders and the wing backs (except HBA) were letting the team down by delivering extremely poor cross to Ba. We should have scored goals in the first half by taking that gamble, which we didnt, and thus we paid the inevitable price. Colo + Taylor and Tiote + Cabaye were our most important players. Last year we rely on them to get a great run both the start and the end of season. This year we have never been able to play them together consistently. I am actually not surprised that we didnt play like a "top 5" team, because we were never a top 5 team unless we play our best 11 players, which is impossible this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'd be more inclined to give him my full backing if I thought he was taking steps to remedy some of the all too obvious flaws in our performances. But frankly we're seeing the same shit every week. You can pretty much predict the trajectory of our game plan these days: slow start, slight improvement after 20, slight attempt at passing the ball about a bit, back to hoofing, etc. As things stand I'm not seeing any improvement whatsoever in the set-up or otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One third of the players out there today don't belong at this level, so it's not all his fault. Tactically he's looking more clueless by the game, though. I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. At face value it seems preposterous to point the finger at Mike Williamson for bad football. But the truth is, you've got a player in the team that can't play the ball out of defence, that the midfield have to protect, and can't form part of a high line because of his lack of pace. He should be nowhere near this team. There's no excuse for it, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vinkent Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 For me it just seems that the opposition knows how to choke out our midfield in most games. Stops the delivery to our strikers and puts more pressure on our defenders. Kills all rhythm we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 It's fuck all to do with investment, this team didn't need investment to be able to look a better side at home than Villa, Norwich, West Brom, Swansea or West Ham, all of whom have come here and looked at least our equal. The facts are that the manager doesn't have the first idea how to coach interesting attacking football or how to coach a team to win matches, and if we're honest with ourselves, other than a six match period with a formation that was abandoned as soon as we lost, he has never looked capable of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Poor Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One third of the players out there today don't belong at this level, so it's not all his fault. Tactically he's looking more clueless by the game, though. You're quite right, players like Williamson, Simpson, Sammy and Ferguson are low end prem players and that is being charitable in the extreme - so i do have sympathy with Pardew. He's been dealt a shit hand by Ashley and Llambias. While our squad is a decent size it is also stupidly unbalanced and that definitely causes issues here and there, no more so than Ba and Cisse, for instance, or having a bunch of midfielders who like to sit deep but none who burst forward. It definitely has the feel of a squad assembled by a committee rather than a squad built by one man - which has both positive and negative consequences. Saying that, even when Pardew has had a team full of good players this season he's still struggled. It's his job to fit the likes of Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye into a functioning team and he's failed so far this season. Using the presence of Sammy up-front as an excuse doesn't cut it as we've looked just as bad if not worse with a superior player in Cisse playing there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The seeds for the current malaise were sown a year ago - even when we were winning last season there were issues and causes for concern bubbling away underneath the good results. Training 4 days out of 5 on defending the opposition, and never really forging a team identity or style, might get results in the short term, but as we're seeing it's unsustainable over longer periods. Pardew needs to have a wholesale change in his entire approach - which is a big ask. If he simply retreats into his conservative, safety first approach where attacking consists entirely of players trying to do things on their own then we are fucked with him in charge. I don't think Pardew has the ability to turn it around in a short space of time as he is paying for the consequences of his own decisions over the past year. This isn't a simple matter of 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 - it's far bigger than that. so it may well get worse before it gets better - if it gets better. Seems his record at one or two previous clubs is worryingly similar to what is going on here - start well, talk a good game and gradually get exposed when your side begins to slump. I don't think he has the ability to turn it around full stop. He has a shit football philosophy and as a result we play shit football. There's no way forward with that approach even if we win the next two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thread title change: Manager of the fear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 December is actually looking horrific. A bogey team and then 3 of the 'big 4' as well as on an form Fulham and QPR who will have a new manager. Pardew could be on the recieving end of some serious stick before the fat fella with a hefty sack comes bearing gifts.................and I'm not talking about his mate Ashley ahead of the Jan window. BTW, there's absolutely no way that the club were aiming to replicate what they achieved last season when they didn't back him in the market. I think there's an acknowledgement throughout the hierarchy that they will build the club very gradually with a view to being a sustainable club in financial terms who challenge for the odd cup and/or challenge for 6th. I don't even think there's a belief that top 4 can be breached by NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do wonder what it would take for him to get the sack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 It's not his fault that we are severely under strength. Injuries, suspensions and Mike Ashley not investing sufficiently have been the bigger reason we are having this awful start to the season. We've got our best squad in a decade. 3 centre backs , one of which is Williamson , says different. We have no depth. True enough. The depth on this squad is appalling. Williamson is simply not a PL player, it's criminal that he's been trotted out as often as he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do wonder what it would take for him to get the sack. We'd have to look like getting relegated, or worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Last season we were dire in a majority of games as a team but individual brilliance made us look better than we are as an actual footballing side. The only game was Stoke where we dominated them by playing like them. He's a very average manager and i've always known sooner or later everything would balance itself out. This season has found him out to be unprepared and totally lacking in motivating the players to be up for games. Add to that a total confusion of what formation suits his players and tactically fucked when the shit hits the fan. Give him to the end of the season and if there isn't a marked improvement as a team then get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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