TherealnorthernTOON Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thing really is, I hate to see us lose. But the manner we do lose in is just terrible and I can't even stand watching the game anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Our quality of players on the field this season is actually worse than last. Or you mean during the Sir Bobby Era? Last season we still had Williamson, we had Ryan Taylor and we still had Simpson, and Obertan was getting games, we don't have to go as far back as Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Martinez would be a dream, his Wigan team are really shaping up. He'd be a great match for the players we have. Unfortunately, there's no chance of this happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I think to start clawing our way back we really need a Kevin Keegan figure who can coach good football habits on the training pitch. Otherwise we are heading for football oblivion. ffs do not bring up KK, have you a short memory. I said a Kevin Keegan figure, not the man himself. Basically someone who understands and appreciates the value of passing football. we dont have any of those, to do that we need a former toon player who has now developed into a decent manager, the closest thing we got is Alan Shearer and that was shocking, remember. You are sort of missing the point. I don't want a local manager, I want one that understands how to coach passing football. I mentioned Keegan because he had to re-train our squad after the disastrous spell under another hoofball nazi, Sam Allardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is shit. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. Really mate I can't be bothered. It's because of fans like you that we will end up losing our quality players while defending a manager who's ideas about football expired in 1980. I agree We have some fantastic talent that's been wasted by shite coaching and stifled with spanner tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 People actually discussing a new manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 People actually discussing a new manager? We can dream can't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Our quality of players on the field this season is actually worse than last. Or you mean during the Sir Bobby Era? Last season we still had Williamson, we had Ryan Taylor and we still had Simpson, and Obertan was getting games, we don't have to go as far back as Bobby. That's why I said Colo, Tiote and Cabaye are fucking instrumental to us. No bench players can match half of their quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The squad players are dreadful, though. You look at our bench and it has no goals, little guile, no defensive ability. Little wonder the big players don't perform as well as they could when they see that rabble behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 People actually discussing a new manager? It was always going to happen though. People didn't want him here in the first place. So the first bad run of form and slipping back to garbage football was always going to put him under pressure. I'd give him until the end of the season, but I really can't see him being the future of the club simply because he's limited in so many area's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Yes , i remember every single post that i was shot down for questioning his tactics and lack of routine drills and style. The cowardice of not using Ben Arfa. Its all in the thread you wanna do some digging? The only difference was we were winning marginally and everybody was happy. You were one in particular that loved it. I don't want to waste any more time on that. My point is simple: our squad is f***ing s***. Compare the squad with Spurs, including the bench, and see where they finished last season. You are suggesting a "appropriate manager in your mind" can immediately turn us into Man Utd and winning most of the match "more than a margin". I don't know who that one is, and how realistic it is, I'm afraid you can't suggest anyone that would really come and work under Ashley. To me, I totally understand the limitation, and a "appropriate manager in my mind" is the one who can win most of the match marginally and consistently, GIVEN THIS SQUAD. Bassong even couldnt get a game in Spurs and was sold. I f***ing miss him, you know? Our squad is s***? What utter, depressing bollocks. Our squad is s***. Evaluate the bench and other squad rotation players yourself. Don't be cheated by the starting eleven. What do you attribute the starting XI being s*** to? Equally, do you feel the likes of WBA have a great squad? When did we play our starting eleven this season? I can even trim the argument down further. Colo, Tiote, Cabaye, Krul, our most important players, how many games they have been playing together this season? Last season? We have a much better starting eleven than WBA. Then if we take away Colo for Willo, Perch for Cabaye, plues one to two suspension / injuries, would you say it is still a much better squad than WBA, who is now playing Long as a substitute? What about us? Obertan? FFS. And the keeper as well. Harper is a certainty to concede goal now. We cannot live without Krul. What kind of squad depth is this? If you are fuming about the performance and results, put more blame on Ashley not spending his own money please. Pardew has his bad but has been far exaggerated here. The squad is f***ing s***. Fully exposed this season given more matches and injuries. Your excuses are tedious. I firmly believe I don't need to type these s*** if we have signed a new CB, Debuchy and a left winger last summer too. I didn't enjoy it. Would I? Stopping grasping at straws. There aint many left , read the Board. Read what the majority thinks. Either you have some sort of a relation with Pardew or you think exactly like him . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 People actually discussing a new manager? It was always going to happen though. People didn't want him here in the first place. So the first bad run of form and slipping back to garbage football was always going to put him under pressure. I'd give him until the end of the season, but I really can't see him being the future of the club simply because he's limited in so many area's. You actually think Mike will get rid of him? The only scenario where he gets the boot is if we get relegated. And even then I dread to think who he'd bring in. Being his puppet is a bigger job description than their managerial ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishMagpie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I don't see how anyone can't see that the fault lies with Pardew. He's making excuses about not having his best players but regardless of who is in our starting 11 or who we're playing the performances and more tellingly the style of our play is exactly the same. It doesn't matter if we have a midfield 3 or 4 or it's Tiote/Cabaye or Anita/Perch etc. The end result (i.e. the way we play) is still the same. I don't believe we have that many crap players, as someone earlier mentioned that WBA, Swansea etc. play better football with 'worse' players than those at our disposal. Point I was originally trying to make was that every match so far, no matter who's playing, follows the same pattern, albeit with minor variations. i.e.: make s**** start make mind puzzling tactical change go 1-0 down hoofball time limp in to half time Start 2nd half with no visible improvement (wonder what gets said at half times?) more hoofball lose 2nd goal bring shola on write some meaningless s**** in the little black pad he carries game over make excuse for not having x,y,z in the squad which 'really hurt us' today Hope I'm wrong but I think his tactical numpty-ness is starting to show big time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Martinez would be a dream, his Wigan team are really shaping up. He'd be a great match for the players we have. Unfortunately, there's no chance of this happening. The thing is you don't know how certain players would react. Take Ben Arfa for example, he may dislike someone like Martinez if he came in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Same here, i cant even touch FM despite my legendary brilliance at it. Football is gay when makes you feel down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Same here, i cant even touch FM despite my legendary brilliance at it. Football is gay when makes you feel down. at least it hasnt dented you're confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Same here, i cant even touch FM despite my legendary brilliance at it. Football is gay when makes you feel down. I sort of wrote this season off after last week, although it pains me to say it. I laughed at someone who mentioned after the Liverpool game how well placed we were with four winnable games coming up. No doubt some bright spark will still pipe up we are only x number of points behind Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 You actually think Mike will get rid of him? The only scenario where he gets the boot is if we get relegated. And even then I dread to think who he'd bring in. Being his puppet is a bigger job description than their managerial ability. I wouldn't put anything past chunk tbh. Ashley will probably keep him if he manages just to keep our heads just above water. This is all down to running the club with minimal outlay until he gets what he wants for the club. The fat cunt has no passion for this club. If he did, we would have seen 3-5 quality 1st teamers in during the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Same here, i cant even touch FM despite my legendary brilliance at it. Football is gay when makes you feel down. I sort of wrote this season off after last week, although it pains me to say it. I laughed at someone who mentioned after the Liverpool game how well placed we were with four winnable games coming up. No doubt some bright spark will still pipe up we are only x number of points behind Spurs. Aye, and i will punch them in the adams apple. I'm in for a torrid time at work, luckily my cool exterior will not be shattered. I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cant be assed anymore, fed up. Same here, i cant even touch FM despite my legendary brilliance at it. Football is gay when makes you feel down. at least it hasnt dented you're confidence. Find the game very easy, always have tbh. Maybe i'm autistic or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Bringing on Bigirimana and playing for a 1-0 sums him up. Time is running out, Alan. Also notice he didn't wave to the fans in the first half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 That lack of attacking coaching is starting to seep through. Comment overheard in the Leazes that sums today up: "Whey, if we wah playing at Twickenham we'd be fuckin' battering them like". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 That lack of attacking coaching is starting to seep through. Comment overheard in the Leazes that sums today up: "Whey, if we wah playing at Twickenham we'd be fuckin' battering them like". I think we're approaching complete wash out status to be honest, it's going to take a long period of possession focused training to get the team functioning again and Pardew's not going to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The Shola substitution was the most bizarre sub in years like. We were going alright up to half time and when he appeared on the touchline, it was obvious we were in for another exciting 45 minutes of standard route one dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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