Mole_Toonfan Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Of course Gouffran only has one goal man have you seen how many chances we create? our forwards live on tiny scraps. Due to how bloody negative and poorly coached we are players like Michu wouldn't even score 10 goals a season in this team. Liverpool for example had more shots on goal against Reading than we did in our last 4 games combined. We have good players who top 6 teams want unfortunately we are managed by an idiot. Nowhere near the top 6? jog on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 You said we have many Internationals Mick. Or is this people in glass houses now.... I did say we have many Internationals, how does that tie in with what you're getting at and glass houses, are you on the right forum? Is he on the right f***ing planet? Can't be arsed with WUMs at the moment. Jog on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrypirate71 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two, plus 3 or 4 more that can cross a ball, a few more who can a) find a team mate with a pass, b) attack a set piece and c) keep possession from a throw in. Oh aye, and to a man they have a much clearer idea of their role in the team and the overall tactical plan. We could have a shedload of natural strikers and we'd waste them until we got a manager that can implement the above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 We literally don't have any wingers yet we cross the ball alot...Why? Cisse is crap in the air yet most balls he deals with are lobbed or floated at him...Why? When on the few ocassions the mf come up who goes into the box (apart from Cisse) and who comes short to split the defence? (Nobody)... It's like 80's school football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. That's hardly surprising considering how negative we are. Agreed, but none of them have track records of doing it, either. It's inexcusable that Shola fucking Ameobi comes on when we need a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 We may as well sign Carroll back it the long ball shit this cunt serves up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two, plus 3 or 4 more that can cross a ball, a few more who can a) find a team mate with a pass, b) attack a set piece and c) keep possession from a throw in. Oh aye, and to a man they have a much clearer idea of their role in the team and the overall tactical plan. We could have a shedload of natural strikers and we'd waste them until we got a manager that can implement the above. Oh i wonder why that is.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. They have 5 players on 5 goals or more in the league including Jelavic and Felliani who have 18 between them. We've got two - Cisse and Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. Aye and here is Fellianis premier league goal scoring record : 8,2,1,3,11. A truly great goal scorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Cant quite believe I've ventured into this collection of opinions that could only described as an abomination but what I will say is that regardless of how you rate this group of players, Alan Pardew is getting the absolute least out of them and has done all season. Not been calling for his head since the first slip up like some of the clowns in this thread but I really cannot see any progress from here. Needs to go in the summer for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. They have 5 players on 5 goals or more in the league including Jelavic and Felliani who have 18 between them. We've got two - Cisse and Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. They have 5 players on 5 goals or more in the league including Jelavic and Felliani who have 18 between them. We've got two - Cisse and Cabaye. We did have Ba for half a season though- he had 13. But you might remember now that Cisse is our only goalscorer that when we had Ba and Cisse only 1 was a 'goalscorer'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Cant quite believe I've ventured into this collection of opinions that could only described as an abomination but what I will say is that regardless of how you rate this group of players, Alan Pardew is getting the absolute least out of them and has done all season. Not been calling for his head since the first slip up like some of the clowns in this thread but I really cannot see any progress from here. Needs to go in the summer for me. Aye, we're the clowns for not backing this dickhead. Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 We played direct under Hughton, but we used Carroll to our advantage via a potent passer/set piece taker of the ball in Barton and an excellent poacher in Nolan. That was OK, I didn't mind that simply because it was effective and was on a different planet to what we put up with now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Spurs have Bale only really scoring since Defoe got inj...Liv - Saurez only for ages, Villa - Benteke, S'hampton - Lambert, Wba - Lukaku, Sunlun - Fletcher (for ages the only one scoring), Felliani is the top scorer for Everton ffs!! The key thing is creating chances and setting up a side that knows what should happen when in posession and to see patterns that are repeated (coach has explained how to attack a particular side etc)... Sit too deep and att responsability is mostly with 2/3 players - not going to happen. I actually don't think the lack of attacking pattern is really this team's biggest problem. Managers like Redknapp prefer to leave the offensive stuff up to players as much as possible, he mainly finds the right type of player, but most importantly, actually plays them in a position (and formation) that complements their natural abilities. Right now we've got a defensive midfielder that can't play football that well, playing as some all-action centre mid. An attack-minded central midfielder with limited physical capabilities, also playing as some all-action mid. The only true box-to-box player we have is playing as a striker who's not helping out the aforementioned 2 enough, and we have an AM and a striker on the wings. The midfield '3' in particular, is a mess, no wonder they don't look at all cohesive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Agreed, but none of them have track records of doing it, either. It's inexcusable that Shola f***ing Ameobi comes on when we need a goal. Cabaye has got goals in him as we've seen when he gets forward, we need to change a game and I can see a few getting goals. Cisse, Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Cabaye, Sissoko and Gouffran have goals in them if used properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Cant quite believe I've ventured into this collection of opinions that could only described as an abomination but what I will say is that regardless of how you rate this group of players, Alan Pardew is getting the absolute least out of them and has done all season. Not been calling for his head since the first slip up like some of the clowns in this thread but I really cannot see any progress from here. Needs to go in the summer for me. Some of the clowns in here seem to have more foresight than you seem to be able to call upon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? At least two Who? Felliani is top scorer. They don't have anybody else in the top 20. They have 5 players on 5 goals or more in the league including Jelavic and Felliani who have 18 between them. We've got two - Cisse and Cabaye. Yeah I was looking at that, but Gouffran and Sissoko have only just arrived - these two are good for 5/6 goals each a season easily. Hatem uninjured is worth ten....Ah I see the trap of this argument now.. I guess there is a case to be made with this regard, but Norwich, WBA and Swansea have all been in the top 5 this season and none of those sides are blessed with a spread of goalscorers. Still maintain we don't create enough and that is the root of it all. We don't do that cause we sit too deep and it seems players don't have the license to get forward/get told off.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 I believe that before today, there were far too many people content with Pardew,hanging onto this '5th place' bullshit to actually bother getting riled up about it or take their blinkers off. Now though, I think its a different story and a loss next week and a pasting against Liverpool (probably likely) will see things turn very nasty. He must be sacked off today alone, there's no way an NUFC manager- especially one in his position- can survive a result like that. Its disgusting to even contemplate, let alone suffer from. If he loses his next two matches, what gives him the right to stay in his job? Nothing. But we're a circus and Ashley won't do shit about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Cant quite believe I've ventured into this collection of opinions that could only described as an abomination but what I will say is that regardless of how you rate this group of players, Alan Pardew is getting the absolute least out of them and has done all season. Not been calling for his head since the first slip up like some of the clowns in this thread but I really cannot see any progress from here. Needs to go in the summer for me. I love a good "holier than thou" post which turns into complete nonsense I wish I'd never bothered reading. Or replying to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Spurs have Bale only really scoring since Defoe got inj...Liv - Saurez only for ages, Villa - Benteke, S'hampton - Lambert, Wba - Lukaku, Sunlun - Fletcher (for ages the only one scoring), Felliani is the top scorer for Everton ffs!! The key thing is creating chances and setting up a side that knows what should happen when in posession and to see patterns that are repeated (coach has explained how to attack a particular side etc)... Sit too deep and att responsability is mostly with 2/3 players - not going to happen. I actually don't think the lack of attacking pattern is really this team's biggest problem. Managers like Redknapp prefer to leave the offensive stuff up to players as much as possible, he mainly finds the right type of player, but most importantly, actually plays them in a position (and formation) that complements their natural abilities. Right now we've got a defensive midfielder that can't play football that well, playing as some all-action centre mid. An attack-minded central midfielder with limited physical capabilities, also playing as some all-action mid. The only true box-to-box player we have is playing as a striker who's not helping out the aforementioned 2 enough, and we have an AM and a striker on the wings. The midfield '3' in particular, is a mess, no wonder they don't look at all cohesive. It's what I said a bit earlier in the thread. I believe this is cause of Pards particular paranoias...He likes Cabaye to play from deep and he likes a tackler upfront (sissoko) to do some hounding. I agree that triangle would be better turned on its head. I bet he will never start Marv and Hatem in the same game...Ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Still not sacked. Disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 We literally don't have any wingers yet we cross the ball alot...Why? Cisse is crap in the air yet most balls he deals with are lobbed or floated at him...Why? When on the few ocassions the mf come up who goes into the box (apart from Cisse) and who comes short to split the defence? (Nobody)... It's like 80's school football. This is way above the heads of most average fans and window glazing specialists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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