Ste Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Most important question is; did he forget to shave yesterday, or are the ladies wanting their inner thighs tickled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Don't blame Pards for yesterday, maybe Marveux on earlier for Jonas but thats it. we looked all over the place for a while in first half but settle and were the better team, should have taken our chances. we carved out enough opportunities, just nobody to put them away. The amount of times Debuchy and gouffran got crosses in we should have had someone on the end of them. Cabayes set pieces are shocking, need someone to whip them in and I would let Ben arfa take them when he's back tbh Awful defending for their goal, we seem to cause our own downfall in every game. Its always shit defending and could see it coming yesterday when we were in control but not scoring, never mind, we move on and bottom 3 still 6 off us. Win against Stoke and practically safe I reckon. Can't wait for Ben Arfa back as seeing Jonas play football is quite painful and I think we will open teams up more. Still early days with new players but Gouffran, Sissokho and Debuchy all playing well while it may take Mbiwa a bit longer to he used to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 We will make more chances when we have a more balanced attack. It can't be underestimated how little Gutierrez produces compared to Ben Arfa but I think it affects the whole balance of the front 6. We don't really want Sissoko out wide trying to create that often but he seemed to pop up there a bit yesterday, especially on the right, he did good work there but it meant when we got the ball in the box, a massive presence was missing. I think if Hatem's there, he's got the intelligence to fill that space at least but I think when he's back, we'll see Sissoko staying more central. I think that will help Cisse too. We've really not given him much to feed off over the last couple of games, Sissoko's through balls haven't been happening, there's not been many dangerous crosses and Cisse's link-up with Cabaye seems to have disappeared too. We look dangerous going forward but are lacking a bit of imagination at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Don't blame Pards for yesterday, maybe Marveux on earlier for Jonas but thats it. we looked all over the place for a while in first half but settle and were the better team, should have taken our chances. we carved out enough opportunities, just nobody to put them away. The amount of times Debuchy and gouffran got crosses in we should have had someone on the end of them. Like I said earlier, for that to happen you need a manager to encourage that sort of movement. Look at Liverpool now they have moved away from the ultra defensive methods of Rafa and Dalglish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedin Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I do not know if this has been said already but can't be ars*d to trawl back through all the pages, but in my view with the quality of squad we have a decent manager would have us racing up the table. Pardew is simply not good enough and the same pattern will continue if he is not replaced. Yes, I know all about the stabilty issue and we can't keep changing managers but a good manager would get far more out of this squad then he does. His substitiutions are questionable both as to who and their timing. His man management is just getting passmarks but his tactical awareness is deperately lacking and he is out-thought more times than he isn't. Our persistent failure at set pieces should have been attended to and what can I say about our defensive lapses. Look at what Roberto Martinez achieves with no money. Look at David Moyes track record and what he has spent. At the end of the day the most important appointment any club makes is their manager. Pardew's record is failure wherever he has been. Anyway rant over as it is plain disappointing that we cannot kick on again and in my opinion that will only happen with a change of manager. By the way I voted that I never had any faith in him anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I still don't have any real faith in him. He's got artists doing a painter's job and although he's now got his square pegs in square holes, it's taken him Ba leaving and 5 new, quality signings to finally do it. I don't think quality players are the sum of all parts in a good team, but I don't think that he gets the best out of them at all. He's PR man through and through from the Allardyce school of calling a spade a quill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 7 out of 10 today. Maybe even at 8. Won't complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 7 out of 10 today. Maybe even at 8. Won't complain. Couldn't do much wrong today tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Couldn't care less how we played, it's another defeat. Our 14th defeat out of 28 games which is the same as "definitely finished" QPR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" shite. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Getting sick of people singing the praises of managers such as Martinez, what has he achieved wit Wigan exactly, other than consistently producing shit defences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 He wants sacked alone just for our fucking shitty corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLK Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 So manager of the year is now forgotten about !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Getting sick of people singing the praises of managers such as Martinez, what has he achieved wit Wigan exactly, other than consistently producing s*** defences? People do over praise the likes of Martinez, but there can be no denying he has done a very good there. Their whole remit for the season is to survive and he has achieved this several times, all while playing good football and getting the best out of very limited players. Our remit for this season was to challenge for a top 4 place and that is the manager speaking not me or anyone else at the club and we are right down there with Wigan. Martinez = good manager Pardew = shit manager Basically. Mind I wouldn't have Martinze here, as he hasn't achieved anything of note really other than with his style of football and making average players player better. I think a job like NUFC would actually wreck him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 So manager of the year is now forgotten about !!! Means fuck all when you're struggling right down at the bottom of the table. If anything our position makes a mockery of that title. Manager of the year he certainly was but that doesn't equate to being the best manager or even a good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" s****. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 The corners yesterday were shocking but I don't think there's that much you can criticise him for yesterday. It was a stupid cock up at the back for the goal and our general play second half was pretty good. We took it to them second half and should've scored. He has his limitations but I don't think there was that much wrong yesterday. We've certainly played a lot worse and won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" s****. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like So your solution is to buy him even more players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 What's the main reason why we are playing better? Is it anything spectacular that Pardew's changed? Or is it just that 20M worth of players that's made our team better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" s****. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like So your solution is to buy him even more players? Agreed, it would be insane to have more than 2 capable strikers. Lets stop throwing players at the bloke! Are people seriously expecting options from the bench? Do we think we are Man City or something!!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 If he could do or start to tackle the following things then I'd give him another season: Needs to get over his obsession with Jonas starting. More effective set pieces, our corners offer nothing, our indirect freekicks offer very little more. Needs to make earlier subs. Needs to sub the right players and bring on the right players. Needs to comment with more care. Start games better. I don't know how you go about getting the players to start games better, think that goes beyond the manager, maybe it's his motivational skills, it could equally be the players fault, it's probably a bit of both but if he could sort that out before the end of the season it would show me progression within him and the team and it would be enough to take in to next season. However I know none of that will happen, he'll play Jonas every game he can, we will start every game like we're playing a friendly, will provide no threat from SPs, won't change games with subs and he'll keep saying daft shit to anyone who will listen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" s****. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like So your solution is to buy him even more players? Agreed, it would be insane to have more than 2 capable strikers. Lets stop throwing players at the bloke! Are people seriously expecting options from the bench? Do we think we are Man City or something!!? Swansea brought on Luke Moore They've won a cup and are 8th btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I hate this "couldn't have done more today" s****. Even if that were true, which it's not, he doesn't just turn up for work on a Saturday afternoon. It seems to be a very long list of away games that we've "taken positives from" yet failed to win. Why do so many other teams seem very capable of both playing ok and winning the match? Because their players take the chances that are created for them. Manager's fault like So your solution is to buy him even more players? Agreed, it would be insane to have more than 2 capable strikers. Lets stop throwing players at the bloke! Are people seriously expecting options from the bench? Do we think we are Man City or something!!? Swansea brought on Luke Moore They've won a cup and are 8th btw. They also have Michu who has scored about 3 times as many as Cisse, in fact the player they let go in January would be putting up a good fight to start for us right now. Our forward option (no s) off the bench is Shola Ameobi. Not sure how anyone can seriously say we don't need to buy 'even more' players as if our forward line is already well stocked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 How many "capable strikers" have Arsenal, Everton, Spurs, Swansea, Chelsea and Liverpool been playing with all season? Everton have really struggled with goals from Jelavic like us with Cisse yet they're just underneath a CL place - because other players are scoring goals and they create a fuckload of chances nearly every game. The irony is that he's had two of the best strikers in the division available to him for most of the season and still couldn't win a game... but then the excuse is the right back, or the centre half, as if every squad in the league is perfection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Was lack of strikers really our problem yesterday like? He had a £10m striker up front with his new striker signing also playing. We've already established that you think he shouldn't have changed anything off the bench anyway cos we were supposedly playing well. Only Pardew could get this sort of leeway, people saying that to not be in a relegation fight we need two top class players in every position on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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