Pardew Out?

[oldtype]

I can't even begin to imagine who we'd replace him with. Yes, were utter, utter shit but we're still more likely to get out of this with him rather than rolling the die on someone new. We're NUFC fans. We should know this by now.

 

He shouldn't be sacked unless he's irrevocably lost the dressing room. (Granted, that may or may not have happened already.) This should be a principle that applies to almost all managers, not just Pardew.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Couple of people on 606 this week, one Reading fan calling for McDermott to be replaced and a couple of Everton fans really doubting Moyes. I was about to slag them off for being fickle as fuck, then I realised this is basically what a majority of our fans are doing on here.

[STM]

Nay.

[Ronaldo]

Couple of people on 606 this week, one Reading fan calling for McDermott to be replaced and a couple of Everton fans really doubting Moyes. I was about to slag them off for being fickle as f***, then I realised this is basically what a majority of our fans are doing on here.

 

Not really the same, is it? I like Pardew but Moyes has proved himself to be a top manager.

 

 

[steve_69]

Couple of people on 606 this week, one Reading fan calling for McDermott to be replaced and a couple of Everton fans really doubting Moyes. I was about to slag them off for being fickle as f***, then I realised this is basically what a majority of our fans are doing on here.

 

It's not quite the same though is it.

Moyes has Everton performing brilliantly and challenging for a European place. McDermott has just got Reading promoted and they are struggling to adapt to the Premier League (pretty typical for a newly promoted team).  Pardew has almost single-handedly masterminded our downfall with a catalogue of completely baffling tactical decisions. 

The difference is that we were doing great until Pardew started changing things.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

[Lotus]

We have to remember this:

 

'Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. I think that this fact will influence much of this summer's decisions - ones that seem logical to us and ones that don't. '

 

You have to ask yourself if there are any other managers that you'd want, would they be happy with their wages being based on the above? Would YOU be happy if that was a strong factor in their thinking?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We have to remember this:

 

'Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. I think that this fact will influence much of this summer's decisions - ones that seem logical to us and ones that don't. '

 

You have to ask yourself if there are any other managers that you'd want, would they be happy with their wages being based on the above? Would YOU be happy if that was a strong factor in their thinking?

 

Who is that a quote from?

[Guest bimpy474]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

[Lotus]

We have to remember this:

 

'Part of Pardew's remuneration is based on how much the club's operating expenses (wge costs for him) are reduced. I think that this fact will influence much of this summer's decisions - ones that seem logical to us and ones that don't. '

 

You have to ask yourself if there are any other managers that you'd want, would they be happy with their wages being based on the above? Would YOU be happy if that was a strong factor in their thinking?

 

Who is that a quote from?

 

Remember when we were told well in advance Hughton was out? Remember when we were told Pardew had been contacted and his contract drawn up? Remember that it was a couple of weeks before it broke out? The lawyer responsible for it let that little nugget go. All on the board for anyone who wasn't paying attention at the time.

[Guest bimpy474]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig shit. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

[Dr Venkman]

Remember when we 'dominated' Liverpool at Anfield last season? Remember being able to hear Pardew screaming at all of our players to knock it long to Ba for 90 mins?

[Interpolic]

I'm surprised you're running with this set penises thing bimpy, it's a bold move.

 

[themanupstairs]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig s***. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

 

Thing is, if he played this "system" because he believed in it, he would have come out and said so by now. He would have been brave enough to ask the fans to be patient and trust that this "system" will bear fruit eventually.

 

There's no "system" to speak of though, and even commentators have struggled lately to figure out what it is we're trying to do. There isn't any part of what we do, that we actually do well. If we were coming out with 0-0 draws all over the place, one would think "Well at least we defend pretty well". Alternatively it's not like we're creating bucketloads of chances that we simply can't finish. There is the absolute sum of ZERO about our play at the moment, and this is the most worrying thing.

[Dave]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig s***. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

 

Thing is, if he played this "system" because he believed in it, he would have come out and said so by now. He would have been brave enough to ask the fans to be patient and trust that this "system" will bear fruit eventually.

 

There's no "system" to speak of though, and even commentators have struggled lately to figure out what it is we're trying to do. There isn't any part of what we do, that we actually do well. If we were coming out with 0-0 draws all over the place, one would think "Well at least we defend pretty well". Alternatively it's not like we're creating bucketloads of chances that we simply can't finish. There is the absolute sum of ZERO about our play at the moment, and this is the most worrying thing.

 

Spot on.

[Guest Slippery Sam]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig s***. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

 

Thing is, if he played this "system" because he believed in it, he would have come out and said so by now. He would have been brave enough to ask the fans to be patient and trust that this "system" will bear fruit eventually.

 

There's no "system" to speak of though, and even commentators have struggled lately to figure out what it is we're trying to do. There isn't any part of what we do, that we actually do well. If we were coming out with 0-0 draws all over the place, one would think "Well at least we defend pretty well". Alternatively it's not like we're creating bucketloads of chances that we simply can't finish. There is the absolute sum of ZERO about our play at the moment, and this is the most worrying thing.

 

This is something I have been meaning to ask those who actually go and see NUFC;  Can they identify something that he is actually trying to achieve??  I haven't heard one comment which tells me there is something he is attempting to get the team playing, despite the poor performances.

 

Speculation is that there will be a lot of clauses in his 8 year contract. Perhaps one of those clauses could be he is on thin ice if the team loses four league games on the trot? Just a thought.  One thing I reckon Ashley and Dekka are doing now is looking around for alternatives.

[Shush]

Regardless of our football being very poor this season, the injuries situation is spiraling out of control beyond just being an excuse for Pardew. The mountain he has to climb to sort this out is getting bigger.

[Guest bimpy474]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig s***. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

 

Thing is, if he played this "system" because he believed in it, he would have come out and said so by now. He would have been brave enough to ask the fans to be patient and trust that this "system" will bear fruit eventually.

 

There's no "system" to speak of though, and even commentators have struggled lately to figure out what it is we're trying to do. There isn't any part of what we do, that we actually do well. If we were coming out with 0-0 draws all over the place, one would think "Well at least we defend pretty well". Alternatively it's not like we're creating bucketloads of chances that we simply can't finish. There is the absolute sum of ZERO about our play at the moment, and this is the most worrying thing.

 

Aye, nail on the head. We are desperately bad.

[Fenham Mag]

After calming down a bit since Sunday, I want him to be giving the rest of the season (less if we are in major relegation trouble but I just don't think we will, we are in poor form but I have faith he will pull it together).

 

I want him to go back to the way we were playing last season, for him to stop complaining about inuries and Europe (and embrace it)  that's all I ask.

 

Maybe he could ask for some reinforcements in the coaching departments too. That's up to Mike/Dezza at the end of the day.

 

It looks like a right off of a season already but it is expected after the lack of investment.

 

As for the squad, it is tiny, but that is not his fault. Mike, dig deep this January, please

[Interpolic]

Looking at the fixtures, if he doesn't get a win from his next 3 games his position must be in real jeopardy.

[Jack Flash]

Looking at the fixtures, if he doesn't get a win from his next 3 games his position must be in real jeopardy.

 

Only 2 winnable games until next year imo. I worry for us more than Pardew at present.

[littlelunchbox]

Looking at the fixtures, if he doesn't get a win from his next 3 games his position must be in real jeopardy.

 

Only 2 winnable games until next year imo. I worry for us more than Pardew at present.

 

don't think any of us is worried for Pardew, 8 years on the contract £££, win win situation for him .

[merlin]

Not at all, the point is that he has had recent success and is now getting hammered because of a bad spell.

 

Bad spell i can deal with, bullshit statements and complete contradiction of himself, and the putrid football, i bloody well cant and wont put up with.

 

He needs to stop blaming everything and look at his tactics which are woeful, yet he ploughs on with them regardless.

 

Set Penises........explain them to me......18 months and he has done nothing about them at all.

 

I'm not saying I can explain everything, or that he doesn't deserve criticism. I'm just saying that a lot of stuff that has happened this season (not just to us) has shown me just how extremely short-termist a lot of fans can be.

 

Obviously we should be discussing what he can/should do better, but it shouldn't be in the context of sacking him IMO.

 

I get the short term kneejerk stuff but thats not why i've had my fill of Pardew.

 

It was his Radio Newcastle interview and the "you need to control the midfield" and "we will be doing something about our set pieces".

 

Both of those have turned out to be utter bullshit, and everything he has tried to do with the team, system, formation, tactics have been the complete opposite of what he spewed out.

 

I'm worried as he seems intent on not changing from what isn't working. That and telling us we didn't play 4-4-2 against Swansea as if we are thick as pig s***. I mean after playing and watching football for the last 35 years i know nothing of a formation or tactic.

 

Mind you i'm supposed to grateful according to Pardew, aren't i ?

 

Thing is, if he played this "system" because he believed in it, he would have come out and said so by now. He would have been brave enough to ask the fans to be patient and trust that this "system" will bear fruit eventually.

 

There's no "system" to speak of though, and even commentators have struggled lately to figure out what it is we're trying to do. There isn't any part of what we do, that we actually do well. If we were coming out with 0-0 draws all over the place, one would think "Well at least we defend pretty well". Alternatively it's not like we're creating bucketloads of chances that we simply can't finish. There is the absolute sum of ZERO about our play at the moment, and this is the most worrying thing.

 

This is something I have been meaning to ask those who actually go and see NUFC;  Can they identify something that he is actually trying to achieve??  I haven't heard one comment which tells me there is something he is attempting to get the team playing, despite the poor performances.

 

Speculation is that there will be a lot of clauses in his 8 year contract. Perhaps one of those clauses could be he is on thin ice if the team loses four league games on the trot? Just a thought.  One thing I reckon Ashley and Dekka are doing now is looking around for alternatives.

 

With the blinkers they will be wearing and the criteria they will use, I think you'll find that their choices will be somewhat limted - probably to Championship hopefuls.....

[Lush Vlad]

Judging on the types of managers we've had so far under Ashley and the way in which he works.  I really don't see who we'll get that's any better? 

 

We won't get a decent foreign name and I'm not even sure we'll get a decent manager from the Championship.  We won't pay decent compo to get a good manager's service, we won't offer good wages or a big transfer kitty, we won't.....  See where this is going?

 

Also, if we sack the 'manager of the year', who has just got us back into Europe via a 5th place finish.  What is that going to look like to prosepctive targets?

 

Basically, I'm at a point where I'm not really arsed if he stays or goes.  I personally don't have faith that he will turn it around.  But at the same time, I'm not convinced whatever chump we get in to replace him will do much better either.

 

Feel pretty 'MEH' about the whole thing TBH.