Crumpy Gunt Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So, we can all agree he's shit after all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He should've been closer to Muller, if you look he's slow to react to run which allows Muller the time to play it back to Gotze. He should've been tighter. He's as tight as you could be and stopped him turning. His man didn't score you know? Just because Muller didn't score it doesn't mean that Mbiwa can't have been at fault for some of the build up play, watch Muller's movement and you'll see Mbiwa is miles off him and really late to react. He's far more concerned with Gotze infront of him, this is what causes him to lose his man which is Muller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 okay let's blame him for a goal that he had nowt to do with. He lost his man which allowed Muller to play a one two with the goal scorer, I struggle to see how that doesn't at least lay some of the blame at Mbiwa. I like Mbiwa but he's been caught out on more than one occasion today, he's also done some good stuff as well but let's not pretend he's been great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 He's marking his man, he's between him and goal so that he can't turn to shoot, so he's certainly not at fault for the goal whether he could have done better or been tighter or not. The lad who doesn't follow Gotze is at fault. Yanga-Mbiwa was at fault for the 3rd though, hard to find a single Roma defender who hasn't been caught out by Bayern, Cole was twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 You can still lose your man but have him end up with his back to goal, he's slow to react to Muller's run which allow him an easy lay off into the path of the goalscorer. He's ball watching again for the third goal, he's got some massive plus points in his game but he's been poor tonight at the basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Is the argument here really that because Yanga-Mbiwa doesn't stop Muller from receiving the ball in the first place he's at fault for the goal? Even though Gotze is allow to get his shot away due to another defender completely losing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 KDT is wrong, lets move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Still think that he should've been tighter after watching the replay for the 2nd, clearly I'm in the minority on that one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The second wasn't his fault. Firstly, it was a brilliant goal from a half-chance. The best Mapou could've done was win the ball and walk off but that wasn't likely - you wouldn't advise a defender to go to grown or make a challenge in that area. He held him off well imo. It was a good lay-off and excellent finish. How much tighter could he have been? The third was his fault. At that point Roma were rattled tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How much tighter could he have been? A lot http://i.imgur.com/HtH0ikR.png He lets him get a run on him, Muller is even pointing where he wants the ball. By the time MYM has realised what's going on about him, Muller is ahead of him and has the ball at his feet. I agree you can't blame him after that, but he had to spot/nullify the danger in the first place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How much tighter could he have been? A lot http://i.imgur.com/HtH0ikR.png He lets him get a run on him, Muller is even pointing where he wants the ball. By the time MYM has realised what's going on about him, Muller is ahead of him and has the ball at his feet. I agree you can't blame him after that, but he had to spot/nullify the danger in the first place Without having seen the goal there is no way you can say his positioning in that still makes him at fault for a goal that may have happened after a pass and move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How much tighter could he have been? A lot http://i.imgur.com/HtH0ikR.png He lets him get a run on him, Muller is even pointing where he wants the ball. By the time MYM has realised what's going on about him, Muller is ahead of him and has the ball at his feet. I agree you can't blame him after that, but he had to spot/nullify the danger in the first place Without having seen the goal there is no way you can say his positioning in that still makes him at fault for a goal that may have happened after a pass and move. If he's even just one step forward, in line with the rest of his defence the run for Muller isnt even on. The striker starts behind him, MYM knows where he is yet still allows him to get the run right across his path and in front of him. It's pretty basic defending. Don't let your man get a run in front of you blahblah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How much tighter could he have been? A lot http://i.imgur.com/HtH0ikR.png He lets him get a run on him, Muller is even pointing where he wants the ball. By the time MYM has realised what's going on about him, Muller is ahead of him and has the ball at his feet. I agree you can't blame him after that, but he had to spot/nullify the danger in the first place Without having seen the goal there is no way you can say his positioning in that still makes him at fault for a goal that may have happened after a pass and move. If he's even just one step forward, in line with the rest of his defence the run for Muller isnt even on. The striker starts behind him, MYM knows where he is yet still allows him to get the run right across his path and in front of him. It's pretty basic defending. Don't let your man get a run in front of you blahblah Preach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I disagree. In fact, what you are saying is something Colo does quite frequently, "bite" when a forward drops a little deeper to collect the ball or lay it off to a runner, and it's a situation where the defender is quite easily turned or simply caught out leaving the centre of defence wide open. Didn't Southampton score their fourth from such a situation? Again, I haven't seen the goal, so maybe it looks worse in motion, but in that still his position isn't all that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Again, I haven't seen the goal, so maybe it looks worse in motion, but in that still his position isn't all that bad. No, not if you had some wits about you. I'm not singling out the position and only the position as the reason, I thought that was clear Get tight and stop him doing it, or stand off and see it coming BEFORE he does it so you can react. MYM does netiher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 How much tighter could he have been? A lot http://i.imgur.com/HtH0ikR.png He lets him get a run on him, Muller is even pointing where he wants the ball. By the time MYM has realised what's going on about him, Muller is ahead of him and has the ball at his feet. I agree you can't blame him after that, but he had to spot/nullify the danger in the first place Without having seen the goal there is no way you can say his positioning in that still makes him at fault for a goal that may have happened after a pass and move. If he's even just one step forward, in line with the rest of his defence the run for Muller isnt even on. The striker starts behind him, MYM knows where he is yet still allows him to get the run right across his path and in front of him. It's pretty basic defending. Don't let your man get a run in front of you blahblah If he's a step forward he's not in line with the rest of his defence though. Cole is still playing them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 5 zip at half time - Pardew will be purring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Just seen the goals, he's at fault for at least two of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Not a great performance, but it's Bayern Munich at their best, and Roma's midfielders weren't even pretending to track runners from midfield, which didn't help. Willo and Colo will be giving performances worse than this in the next three games man. Guaranteed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 MYM arrived as a League 1 winner with Montpellier and a reputation as one of Europe's most promising young defenders. Unfortunately for whatever reason, unsuited to the EPL, Pardewed, Overated, he never played particularly well for us, either at CH or fullback and his future is definitely not with us. He's probably a reasonable defender, but he's not a Varane or a Mangala, and his performance for Roma today showed all the reasons why. He's quick and good on the ball, but lacks positional awareness, concentration and the real nasty edge that the top defenders have. Time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 MYM arrived as a League 1 winner with Montpellier and a reputation as one of Europe's most promising young defenders. Unfortunately for whatever reason, unsuited to the EPL, Pardewed, Overated, he never played particularly well for us, either at CH or fullback and his future is definitely not with us. He's probably a reasonable defender, but he's not a Varane or a Mangala, and his performance for Roma today showed all the reasons why. He's quick and good on the ball, but lacks positional awareness, concentration and the real nasty edge that the top defenders have. Time to move on. And we finally found pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Imagine Willo and Colo against Bayern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Aye but that would be countered with the unplayable Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Whatever about tonights performance you would be mad to write him off. He is still so young for a defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's going to be a reasonable to good player for someone, but not us and probably not in the Premier League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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