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Skeletor

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Unless we're in really serious danger of going down then the managerial change should be made out of season. I've always believed that. Pardew has survived by the skin of his teeth this time around.

 

So if they're going with him for next year then we need to back him as best we can. If he's as bad as many fear then he'll be out by Christmas anyway.

 

My biggest worry about him starting next season is not that he won't get sacked. It will be that there won't be any decent options to replace him mid-season and we'll be throwing away another season which will have a knock on effect regarding player departures. Football is more dog-eat-dog than ever before and if you stand still or go backwards you're rife to being cherry picked by the bigger clubs.

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Unless we're in really serious danger of going down then the managerial change should be made out of season. I've always believed that. Pardew has survived by the skin of his teeth this time around.

 

So if they're going with him for next year then we need to back him as best we can. If he's as bad as many fear then he'll be out by Christmas anyway.

 

My biggest worry about him starting next season is not that he won't get sacked. It will be that there won't be any decent options to replace him mid-season and we'll be throwing away another season which will have a knock on effect regarding player departures. Football is more dog-eat-dog than ever before and if you stand still or go backwards you're rife to being cherry picked by the bigger clubs.

 

Agree. This season doesn't have to set us back massively if we do the right thing now, next season could very well set us back years. Even if things go better than I could possibly imagine I just don't see Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Cisse etc staying around for another season of keeping it tight and aiming for 10th.

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Sticking my head out but i think he will get the sack before the season starts.

Based on nothing but sheer believe that Ashley and Dekka cannot be complete imbeciles.

 

 

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themanupstairs

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meeting between Ashley and pardew with carr present?

 

hope to f*** carr gives Ashley an earful about the way his recruits have been used. he needs to ask pards in front of Ashley what his tactics/formation are going to be for next season so he can scout appropriately for once.

 

Carr doesn't watch the games

 

Doesn't he? That's incredible if true.

 

He's a scout.  Why would he scout our own players?  :lol:

 

eh? Surely he should be watching our matches, or replays of them if he's away on matchdays to see how the players he's been scouting are faring? He's in the best position to tell if say Sissoko is playing the way he played for Toulouse when Carr decided to recommend him? Not out of this world to think he should be keeping track with players' performances to improve his own?

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AlanSkÃrare

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Sticking my head out but i think he will get the sack before the season starts.

Based on nothing but sheer believe that Ashley and Dekka cannot be complete imbeciles.

 

He's not employed on sporting merits. I doubt he's going to get sacked because of them unles Mike's investment is under threat.

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Sticking my head out but i think he will get the sack before the season starts.

Based on nothing but sheer believe that Ashley and Dekka cannot be complete imbeciles.

 

Aye, nothing in the past suggests they are imbeciles :lol:

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Sticking my head out but i think he will get the sack before the season starts.

Based on nothing but sheer believe that Ashley and Dekka cannot be complete imbeciles.

 

Aye, nothing in the past suggests they are imbeciles :lol:

 

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I think this topic has gotten away from the real issues. The football, regardless of OPTA stats, or any others for that matter has been abysmal. There's no excuse for that, even when he's had a close to full squad our defending has been last ditch and desperate, our attacking has been incoherent, static and lacking end product. You can blame the players, however, ultimately it's the manager who's responsible for getting the best out of his players.

 

At the end of the day, every manager comes across difficulties during a season, some a little more than others, but it's how a manager copes and adapts to adversity that really shows his mettle. Ultimately over a 38 game season luck, injuries and other mitigating circumstances level out.

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I will be totally gutted if he is still in place come August.

 

If he is we should really sell Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa etc and go for Caroll and another big lad and sign a couple of fast direct wingers. No point having cultured players with this oaf in place

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I think this topic has gotten away from the real issues. The football, regardless of OPTA stats, or any others for that matter has been abysmal. There's no excuse for that, even when he's had a close to full squad our defending has been last ditch and desperate, our attacking has been incoherent, static and lacking end product. You can blame the players, however, ultimately it's the manager who's responsible for getting the best out of his players.

 

At the end of the day, every manager comes across difficulties during a season, some a little more than others, but it's how a manager copes and adapts to adversity that really shows his mettle. Ultimately over a 38 game season luck, injuries and other mitigating circumstances level out.

 

Don't necessarily agree with your last sentence, but he rest is spot on. Saying that, it doesn't necessarily follow that the manager should be sacked.

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Unless we're in really serious danger of going down then the managerial change should be made out of season. I've always believed that. Pardew has survived by the skin of his teeth this time around.

 

So if they're going with him for next year then we need to back him as best we can. If he's as bad as many fear then he'll be out by Christmas anyway.

 

My biggest worry about him starting next season is not that he won't get sacked. It will be that there won't be any decent options to replace him mid-season and we'll be throwing away another season which will have a knock on effect regarding player departures. Football is more dog-eat-dog than ever before and if you stand still or go backwards you're rife to being cherry picked by the bigger clubs.

 

This will happen if he stays. I've no doubt about it. He needed help from the owners last summer, yes, but he is a phenomenally poor manager.

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meeting between Ashley and pardew with carr present?

 

hope to f*** carr gives Ashley an earful about the way his recruits have been used. he needs to ask pards in front of Ashley what his tactics/formation are going to be for next season so he can scout appropriately for once.

 

Carr doesn't watch the games

 

Doesn't he? That's incredible if true.

 

He's a scout.  Why would he scout our own players?  :lol:

 

eh? Surely he should be watching our matches, or replays of them if he's away on matchdays to see how the players he's been scouting are faring? He's in the best position to tell if say Sissoko is playing the way he played for Toulouse when Carr decided to recommend him? Not out of this world to think he should be keeping track with players' performances to improve his own?

 

He does watch our games.

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I think this topic has gotten away from the real issues. The football, regardless of OPTA stats, or any others for that matter has been abysmal. There's no excuse for that, even when he's had a close to full squad our defending has been last ditch and desperate, our attacking has been incoherent, static and lacking end product. You can blame the players, however, ultimately it's the manager who's responsible for getting the best out of his players.

 

At the end of the day, every manager comes across difficulties during a season, some a little more than others, but it's how a manager copes and adapts to adversity that really shows his mettle. Ultimately over a 38 game season luck, injuries and other mitigating circumstances level out.

 

Don't necessarily agree with your last sentence, but he rest is spot on. Saying that, it doesn't necessarily follow that the manager should be sacked.

 

It doesn't, however I'm struggling to see how or why he would change, I don't think he can or will change. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect you for sticking to it! I wish I had your optimism because I think I'm going to need it, it looks like he's not going anywhere any time soon.

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Consortium of one

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Cheers. I think that will also be the opinion of those in charge.

 

Personally I think things will get better, but almost by default rather than because he's particularly good. Things can't possibly be this bad next season if he's backed properly. I'd like to see us bring in players that he can use, rather than ones that simply look like a good deal financially.Carr is lauded for the deals he finds but if we're not going to employ a manager capable of getting the best out of these players, why bother?

 

Btw I think there's a false notion going around that if you don't rate the manager, you must be a fan of the owner. I don't think that's true at all.

 

I think there are three key player questions that first have to be answered:

 

1) is Colo gone and who will replace him? 

 

2) can HBA stay healthy?

 

3) Which Tiote is the real Tiote?

 

Colo is important because he is the foundation of the defense.  The other two are important because, IMO, both, if they play at a high level will dictate the formation that you will use.  And the formation that is used will say a lot about how all the other players are used, if they can used and, if not, who can be brought in to replace them. 

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Mattoon

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Has anything happened in the last 12 pages? Anything worth reading? ;D

 

Just picture a demented dog chasing it's own tail around and you're about up to speed.

 

Not really mate, just a lot of irrelevant stats used to fortify personal agendas and strengthen flimsy stances. The conversation has become more grounded and less opinionated in the last two pages, hence the reduction in pages posted per minute! :lol:

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Wonder if Big Mike is waiting on Wigan being relegated then swooping in spidey style for Martinez.  Thinking it might be easier to get him then.

 

I'd hope so. I'd love Rafa to tbf, but I just want to see if Martinez can get the most out of the players we have here already.

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Wonder if Big Mike is waiting on Wigan being relegated then swooping in spidey style for Martinez.  Thinking it might be easier to get him then.

 

I'd hope so. I'd love Rafa to tbf, but I just want to see if Martinez can get the most out of the players we have here already.

 

Our squad properly managed would be immense (understatement).

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