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No point in getting too excited when Mike Ashley and JFK are the two in charge of transfers. As much as the improvement on the pitch is (in its limited amount so far), FFS we have them two fucktards about to ruin it by doing and spending f*** all.

 

We're like the Andrea Gail in The Perfect Storm, we look like we're breaking free but the shitstorm of those c***s is going to drag us back down.

yet most think we actually have a decent group of players... :dontknow:

 

I don't think anyone can really argue otherwise after today, although I'm sure Happy Face and Haris will have a go. What today showed to me was that we have players who can look good against the best in the division if they are properly organised and motivated. But different teams will provide different problems and we'll need to be able to adjust accordingly sometimes.

 

Straw man there. I'd say we have a decent group.  Liverpool aren't the best in the division by any stretch though. Certainly not yesterday, and we clung on valiantly.

 

All I have said is there is a degree of hyperbole in this thread about our "team full of internationals".

 

Where is this hyperbole? If someone said on here that we have a team which should be challenging for a CL spot I must have missed it. What we have asked for is a team with some shape and direction with a game resembling the successful teams in the premier league. You can have shape and direction based on Fat Sam's philosophy as well obviously, but that's not what most of us mean by the term.

 

Yesterday's football - that's what we want. We have the players, now let's see it delivered consistently.

 

The fact is we have a squad full of International players....not Internationals from Haiti or Papua New Guinea or even Austria. Internationals from countries with good footballing pedigree. France, Argentina, Italy and Holland. Countries that do well in World Cups. So to an extent, the under investment is moot. What isn't moot is that generally, with this current manager pulling the strings, we play football not suited to World Cups and European Championships or Copa Americas, but to Conferance level.

 

What's remarkable is that you would try to turn yesterdays performance into a point scored against me and Haris.  Same old story though.  Good performances come thanks to our team full of internationals, bad ones are attributable to Pardew.

 

Notwithstanding the fact that I think only 4 of our 14 players yesterday actually played in their countries most recent internationals, half of them as late subs.

 

Where's the hyperbole in my post ? Think you're confusing hyperbole with fact.

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It annoys me when people call Anita a ''Dutch International Midfielder''.

 

All his caps came at right back. (I do rate him though)

 

If things like that annoy you Rolfie old son, I suggest you get yourself down to Boots and get some calms or summink

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He is still a s*** manager and a f***ing fraud who we need to get shot of but err well played the manager he got things apot on pretty much today other rhan Ben Arfa.

 

What did he get wrong with Ben arfa? Should have took him off sooner?

 

I was annoyed he took off cabaye and left Goufran on, who looked f***ed.

 

But I was more annoyed at the people that booed and and chanted "you dunno what ya deein" as we sat on a point against apparent title contenders with minutes to go.

 

He shouldn't have started him up there in the middle for a start and after we went down to 10 he shouldn't have kept him on.

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No point in getting too excited when Mike Ashley and JFK are the two in charge of transfers. As much as the improvement on the pitch is (in its limited amount so far), FFS we have them two fucktards about to ruin it by doing and spending f*** all.

 

We're like the Andrea Gail in The Perfect Storm, we look like we're breaking free but the shitstorm of those c***s is going to drag us back down.

yet most think we actually have a decent group of players... :dontknow:

 

I don't think anyone can really argue otherwise after today, although I'm sure Happy Face and Haris will have a go. What today showed to me was that we have players who can look good against the best in the division if they are properly organised and motivated. But different teams will provide different problems and we'll need to be able to adjust accordingly sometimes.

 

Straw man there. I'd say we have a decent group.  Liverpool aren't the best in the division by any stretch though. Certainly not yesterday, and we clung on valiantly.

 

All I have said is there is a degree of hyperbole in this thread about our "team full of internationals".

 

Where is this hyperbole? If someone said on here that we have a team which should be challenging for a CL spot I must have missed it. What we have asked for is a team with some shape and direction with a game resembling the successful teams in the premier league. You can have shape and direction based on Fat Sam's philosophy as well obviously, but that's not what most of us mean by the term.

 

Yesterday's football - that's what we want. We have the players, now let's see it delivered consistently.

 

The fact is we have a squad full of International players....not Internationals from Haiti or Papua New Guinea or even Austria. Internationals from countries with good footballing pedigree. France, Argentina, Italy and Holland. Countries that do well in World Cups. So to an extent, the under investment is moot. What isn't moot is that generally, with this current manager pulling the strings, we play football not suited to World Cups and European Championships or Copa Americas, but to Conferance level.

 

What's remarkable is that you would try to turn yesterdays performance into a point scored against me and Haris.  Same old story though.  Good performances come thanks to our team full of internationals, bad ones are attributable to Pardew.

 

Notwithstanding the fact that I think only 4 of our 14 players yesterday actually played in their countries most recent internationals, half of them as late subs.

 

You seem to have missed most of the posts in this thread since the game finished yesterday.

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The players he's had at his disposal has never, ever been a strong enough argument, imo, and certainly won't absolve his performance as manager last season. More often than not, he had a team with plenty of good players unmovitaved, set up wrong and playing badly.

 

The personnel is barely different this season, although there is a slight improvement. So far we've been a mixture of very good and rank awful, often occurring in the same matches. On the whole we are looking better than last season, in that we don't look like relegation candidates. We've got mid-table written all over us, if you ask me.

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We got players behind the ball and competed well, it's hardly tactical genius.

 

Well no one has claimed that (beside Brett's flights of fancy) but we were light years off last season. He's still go to show a hell of lot more that that too but it was encouraging and I hope it''s not a false dawn.

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If we hadn't got Remy we'd have probably lost at Villa and Cardiff and would be sitting on 5 points from 8 games. Pardew hasn't improved a thing.

 

Team in performing better with a better player shocker.

 

So the rest of the squad should be consistently flirting with relegation, despite none of the dreadful Europa League?

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We got players behind the ball and competed well, it's hardly tactical genius.

 

It is for Pardew. Actually tbf to the manager, we passed the ball out of defence quite a lot better than we usually do, especially considering Liverpool pressed us quite well on the ball. If we can get that sort of performance more consistently then I think the complaints will stop and Pardew will have earned some credit. You can't always get the result you want every week but you should expect us to be able to do the basics week in week out.

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If Villa get a point today we'll be in exactly the same position as we were last season after the same number of games.  Hopefully we can carry on picking up points and avoid dropping away from where we are.

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If Villa get a point today we'll be in exactly the same position as we were last season after the same number of games.  Hopefully we can carry on picking up points and avoid dropping away from where we are.

 

Oh god, I sense a pie chart of some sort to come out and disprove this post as not true :lol:

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You can't always get the result you want every week but you should expect us to be able to do the basics week in week out.

 

my major criticism of pardew last season was that he showed nothing, nothing whatsoever to suggest that he could change events on the pitch during heavy fixtures, injuries and so on...he just crumbled into a mess of crying about signing new players rather than coming up with solutions to stop the decline

 

he's made some changes this year that certainly look like he's reverted more to his 5th season performance (note HIS) than his relegation flirtation - i expected him to retreat into his shell with the everton result but that hasn't happened...imo his negativity was a major part of last seasons issues, if not the major part, so far he seemed to not be weighted by the fear he was last year and in some respects i agree that we look better at the basics

 

all of that said, villa, cardiff & fulham were gift-wrapped wins like - all 3 of them approached the games in ways that suited us to a tee...pardew deserves more credit for yesterday 'cause liverpool are a far stronger outfit than the other three and of course i expected pardew to be haunted by the 0-6, shit himself, and get it all wrong

 

didn't happen, credit where it's due

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We got players behind the ball and competed well, it's hardly tactical genius.

 

Well no one has claimed that (beside Brett's flights of fancy) but we were light years off last season. He's still go to show a hell of lot more that that too but it was encouraging and I hope it''s not a false dawn.

 

Wish you would start backing your little digs up. I've always maintained i'm not letting Pardew get in the way of the fact how much i love our players. I have forgiven them for last season as i don't think they showed themselves in best light and didn’t show what they are truly capable of. I believe this season they will surprise many and they've already started showing signs of that and not just yesterday. Pardew has the players at his disposal, he's often made bad decisions and costly errors, he was part of the problem last season but not the only problem. He's still capable of making us tick and i'm happy to support him with confidence that he will succeed without thinking he's anything special. Not hard to grasp. I find it promising we look like a side who is developing a new style of play into a consistent formation and not chopping and changing when things have turned sour. We’ve stuck by the 4-3-3 and tried various players in different roles to see what fits, it’s slowly all coming together. We’ve always known we’ve had the talent amongst our squad but this season they’ve shown they also have the desire, passion and courage to succeed here, which was a big question mark of their heads last season. The players along with the manager failed us all last season, I don’t expect them to do the same this time around.

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