Dave Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I actually think Pulis and Sunderland are quite a good match. He would get them organised and the fans would respond to the graft and work-rate that he'd insist on. Wouldn't be pretty to watch but winning ugly is still winning at the end of the day. Actually hope they don't get him. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I actually think Pulis and Sunderland are quite a good match. He would get them organised and the fans would respond to the graft and work-rate that he'd insist on. Wouldn't be pretty to watch but winning ugly is still winning at the end of the day. Actually hope they don't get him. Yup. He'll get them safe, no doubt about that IMO. He won't get them loads further than that, but he'll do enough. i.e. basically what their current general level is, floating around lower mid-table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I actually think Pulis and Sunderland are quite a good match. He would get them organised and the fans would respond to the graft and work-rate that he'd insist on. Wouldn't be pretty to watch but winning ugly is still winning at the end of the day. Actually hope they don't get him. It didn't work with O'Neill whos is probably a better version of the same type of manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/joe-kinnear.814307/ Ah man removed, apparently been spotted coming out the aol this afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Debatable about Pulis considering he'd have a completely different type of squad to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Pulis spent years and years getting stoke to where they were. He selected every player and coach to play how he wanted to, he had the fans onside for all that time (bar the end) because he got them there. He'll struggle to get anything out of this squad IMO, and the fans will be on his back from the off, that's the ones who'll turn up as a lot of them feel totally dejected right now and are just looking for an excuse to stay away. Almost everything is different there compared to when he was at stoke. It won't work again unless he is given bags of time and allowed a full overhaul of the squad, something not even afforded to the mackem supporting tattoo bearing fully decorated Martin Oneill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Pulis spent years and years getting stoke to where they were. He selected every player and coach to play how he wanted to, he had the fans onside for all that time (bar the end) because he got them there. He'll struggle to get anything out of this squad IMO, and the fans will be on his back from the off, that's the ones who'll turn up as a lot of them feel totally dejected right now and are just looking for an excuse to stay away. Almost everything is different there compared to when he was at stoke. It won't work again unless he is given bags of time and allowed a full overhaul of the squad, something not even afforded to the mackem supporting tattoo bearing fully decorated Martin Oneill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Another fucking overhaul. Christ almighty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sunderland fans should rest assured and that with their wealth of soccerball experience Short and Byrne will make the right appointments this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 the person who puts the names on the players shirts is off sick with knackered hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 it's true though, he'd want his type of players, ironically Sunderland sold a load of them to him and he got them playing better than they were down the road. Cattermole, the return of bardsley, Vaughan, fletcher, O'shit, brown & Larrson nailed on starters every game fit, therefore meaning all of PDCs imports, all 14 and £19m of them are pretty much surplus to requirements 5 games in. Incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 What I never understood about Pulis is why he always ran off at full time. Where was he running? f***ing clown. Needs to go and strip off so he can wait in the showers to headbutt unsuspecting players. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Talk of mcleish knocking about on twitter Imagine Brummie man, another 18 months or so of brummies scathing insight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Talk of mcleish knocking about on twitter That would be perfect like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Mcleish has a weird heed. He'll fit right in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Talk of mcleish knocking about on twitter Imagine Brummie man, another 18 months or so of brummies scathing insight. I am already excited. Surely they wouldn't be *that* stupid, though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 The McLeish talk is presumably because he was at the West Brom game. He was with Moyes though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Make a decent appointment and they'll be fine. They still have a better side than Hull, Palace and maybe one or two others and aren't adrift. Someone who can grind out the points would keep them up. Can't imagine it'd be Pulis if they haven't binned off the DoF though, would be leftfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Mcleish has a weird heed. He'll fit right in. He's like the orc in return of the king. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Make a decent appointment and they'll be fine. They still have a better side than Hull, Palace and maybe one or two others and aren't adrift. Someone who can grind out the points would keep them up. Can't imagine it'd be Pulis if they haven't binned off the DoF though, would be leftfield. I'm sure they're scouring the J League for the next Wenger as we speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Gan from a mental kernt to a nice guy will improve them immensely. For ten games or do anyway. Probably enough to keep them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Pulis definitely comes across as one of those managers whose team need to be built around his limited abilities. He might end up doing a fairly average job for them but they will need a lot of changes before he reaches that point imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Few thoughts from Marcotti in his weekly blog: The thing about criticizing players in public is this: you have to get it right. Some take ownership and responsibility when they're held to account in public. Others lose confidence. Others simply get angry. Paolo Di Canio evidently misjudged his players and that's part of the reason why he's no longer manager of Sunderland. The club announced they were parting ways on Sunday night. Monday's papers are filled with stories whereby several senior players angrily took him to task for criticizing them after Saturday's 3-0 defeat at West Brom. Di Canio reportedly responded by telling them that, if they felt that way, they should go to owner Ellis Short and ask that he fire the manager. Well, they did. And Short did. Because the media love simple, easy-to-understand storylines, the narrative here is basic: crazy Di Canio and his odd behaviour upsetting everyone. No fewer than fourteen new signings in the summer, a nutty recipe for instability. It was always going to end badly. I've known the guy for the best part of two decades. Perhaps I can shed some light on the "odd behaviour" on Saturday which basically consisted of him going up to angry travelling fans after the game, apologizing and saying it was his fault. Di Canio said he understood their anger and, had he been in their place, he would have been even angrier. That's taking ownership of your actions. That's taking responsibility. Di Canio knows this because, before becoming a professional, he too was a fan, making endless journeys to away games and spending every last dime to follow his team. That part was genuine. Other odd behaviour? Supposedly "breaking in" to his office at Swindon in the middle of the night following his dismissal. Well, it wasn't a break-in. He was with his assistant, who unlocked the doors for him. He removed personal effects. Family photographs. His notebooks. A picture that his daughter had drawn for him. And he went at night to avoid the awkwardness that you get when a fired employee returns to the workplace. But, hey, to the tabloid media it's crazy Di Canio and another break-in. The fourteen signings? Well, for a start, he wasn't in charge of transfers. Sunderland have a director of football. Beyond that, ten players did leave the club and another two are transfer-listed. So, in net terms, that's not exactly huge. The fourteen newcomers -- four of whom are loan signings and four of whom are twenty or younger -- cost a combined $30.5m, which is roughly what Sunderland got back for the players they sold. In fact, only four clubs had a lower net spend than they did. The bottom line is that Sunderland had one point after five games and evidently Short felt the need to act. Sacking a guy after twelve matches over two seasons seems distinctly pre-mature. You won't be doing the new guy any favours either, given the club's next two games are against Liverpool and Manchester United. Maybe Di Canio had to go and Short's decision will be vindicated. But if that's the case it won't be because of the club's signings or his supposedly "odd" behaviour. Because there isn't -- or shouldn't be -- anything odd about a guy taking responsibility for his performance. As for his supposed bad man-management and inability to get along with his players, his fiercest critics thus far were the guys he shifted out or tried to. Lee Cattermole, Phil Bardsley, Titus Bramble, all these guys had an axe to grind. We'll get a better sense of how the dressing room felt when those players who predate his arrival and have been at Sunderland a long time -- Sebastian Larsson, Craig Gardner, John O'Shea -- speak up. That's when we'll know if that really was the problem. http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/mondaymusings/id/566?cc=5739 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Make a decent appointment and they'll be fine. They still have a better side than Hull, Palace and maybe one or two others and aren't adrift. Someone who can grind out the points would keep them up. Can't imagine it'd be Pulis if they haven't binned off the DoF though, would be leftfield. I agree, Pulis with these players just doesn't make sense. Di Matteo on the other hand would, but I just wonder whether Italians are cut out for cultural metropolis that is renowned worldwide as Wearside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Pulis definitely comes across as one of those managers whose team need to be built around his limited abilities. He might end up doing a fairly average job for them but they will need a lot of changes before he reaches that point imo. How hard is it to play hoofball though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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