Candi_Hills Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I just never thought Speed was very good with the ball at his feet. Certainly a worse technical footballer than Lee and Batty who he ended up replacing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 They're both in the top 10% of players in the premier league who played in their positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Given was a great shot stopper. Yeah not great allround like Schmeichel and easy to say he wasn’t good enough to win the league but I don’t think that’s true. We could have won the league under sir Bobby. We didn’t, but it had nothing to do with Given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Given was a great shot stopper. Yeah not great allround like Schmeichel and easy to say he wasn’t good enough to win the league but I don’t think that’s true. We could have won the league under sir Bobby. We didn’t, but it had nothing to do with Given. The 4th place finish was Bobby's best chance at the league. We were top with 12 games to go and then Bellers got injured, if I'm not mistaken. As for Shay Given, I'm from the Guardiola school. I've always liked goalkeepers who can play. I think it's a really undervalued attribute for a keeper to have and Shay didn't have it. He was terrible at kicking and a total flapper when a centre forward closed him down on the back pass. Mind you, he had some big boots to fill because Pav was top notch in that department. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Given was a great shot stopper. Yeah not great allround like Schmeichel and easy to say he wasn’t good enough to win the league but I don’t think that’s true. We could have won the league under sir Bobby. We didn’t, but it had nothing to do with Given. The 4th place finish was Bobby's best chance at the league. We were top with 12 games to go and then Bellers got injured, if I'm not mistaken. As for Shay Given, I'm from the Guardiola school. I've always liked goalkeepers who can play. I think it's a really undervalued attribute for a keeper to have and Shay didn't have it. He was terrible at kicking and a total flapper when a centre forward closed him down on the back pass. Mind you, he had some big boots to fill because Pav was top notch in that department. I checked this recently - we'd have done better with Bellamy fit aye, but we weren't going to win the league. Arsenal won every single game in that period. We'd have had to win every game like them, and against them. Sure Shay had limitations - that doesn't mean he was average Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Me? I'm from the Guardiola school, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abra Dubravka Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Given wasn’t from an era where being good with the ball was needed in a goalkeeper, certainly not in the PL. Might have been different had he gone and played on continent, but keepers being good with their feet has only really become necessary in last 5 or so years - certainly outside the top sides. Bit of an unfair metric to judge him on I’d say, seeing as his peers of the time weren’t much cop with the ball either. Up there with as one of the best in league for a few years. Doubt Dave Seaman would be too canny taking the ball in the 6 yard box, being closed down and pinging it out to Lauren’s feet on the wing 30 yards away over a wingers head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Me? I'm from the Guardiola school, mate. Graduated with a first. Minored in Accounting and Redknapp studies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I just never thought Speed was very good with the ball at his feet. Certainly a worse technical footballer than Lee and Batty who he ended up replacing. Batty wasn't exactly creative, Lee was a better finisher...all 3 were great at keeping possession. What I loved with Speed was his reading of the game, his ability to find positions where he was available and still to cover if the move broke down. Picked up loads of loose ball through anticipation but it didnt look as good as a tackle does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Speed was so undervalued by us in my opinion. The fact that we signed both Bowyer and Butt to replace him and neither were anywhere near as good shows you how good he was for us. As for Given, he never had an all round performance but he was absolutely excellent for us even if he was a shot stopper. He could be 1 on 1 with someone and come out on top 9 times out of 10. As for his distribution being bad, he was often criticised for this during his time with us, but if you look back at highlights of him when he was at the club, loads of our goals come from him clearing the ball or taking a goal kick, often when Shearer or Shola was upfront. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Tuchel is doing a pretty crap job at Chelsea. They have spent a fortune on attacking talent in recent years and Tuchel can't get consistent returns out of any of them. Only finished 3rd last year because the sides behind them were so inconsistent, and they're boring. He's living off a CL run which wasn't particularly impressive either. Still it's the Champions League. Declan Rice - nah I'm still not getting it. Think I'll forever be living in another dimension while the hype rains down on this bloke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, Interpolic said: Tuchel is doing a pretty crap job at Chelsea. They have spent a fortune on attacking talent in recent years and Tuchel can't get consistent returns out of any of them. Only finished 3rd last year because the sides behind them were so inconsistent, and they're boring. He's living off a CL run which wasn't particularly impressive either. Still it's the Champions League. Declan Rice - nah I'm still not getting it. Think I'll forever be living in another dimension while the hype rains down on this bloke. With you on Rice, just don't see it, throw Grealish in there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Interpolic said: Declan Rice - nah I'm still not getting it. Think I'll forever be living in another dimension while the hype rains down on this bloke. I'm fully on board with this, me. Seen him have the odd good game and that but people talking about £100m and that are on smack. He's like a more mobile Mark Noble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 05/03/2021 at 15:19, Candi_Hills said: Gary Speed wasn't very good. Brilliant bloke, brilliant professional attitude, excellent in the air. Crap at passing, second touch was a header. Shay Given was average. Shortest 6'0 man I've ever seen. Couldn't take crosses, atrocious at kicking, would shit his pants on the back pass, didn't communicate very well, didn't command his area. Decent shot stopper but still way over rated. I can confirm that both of those opinions are unpopular. Mainly because they fly in the face of the evidence on display. Speed was solid and reliable. Given was probably the best keeper in the PL over the whole period he was at the club. Was in the top 2 or 3 every season he was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 The England team is bang average. Sick of people saying this is the best England team for generations. Apart from Kane and possibly Foden and Bellingham the team is not a patch on the late 90s team. Maguire, Mount, Sterling, Rice, Rashford, etc all overrated because they're English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 This is a good England squad imo. How it's used seems to be the issue at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 If £100m is the metric we're using then he's obviously massively overrated, as are most players, but he's still a very good player that's worth about £50m with the English player tax included imo. He's been the main driving force that's got West Ham where they are right now and he's got a bit of everything to his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Pokerprince2004 said: The England team is bang average. Sick of people saying this is the best England team for generations. Apart from Kane and possibly Foden and Bellingham the team is not a patch on the late 90s team. Maguire, Mount, Sterling, Rice, Rashford, etc all overrated because they're English I'd argue they're all overrated by people who want to use it as a reason to claim Southgate had little to do with England's recent success, but I agree with your post entirely like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Just been reading some of the stuff about Given posted earlier this year and blimey it's way off. Twice got in the PFA team of the year (with suspect defences in front of him) and certainly saved us several points a season. Rice is class, but the fees that get mentioned are absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 The £100m/£150m thing seems like a 'hes not for sale' tbh. There's a decent Tifo video on him that came out recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said: Just been reading some of the stuff about Given posted earlier this year and blimey it's way off. Twice got in the PFA team of the year (with suspect defences in front of him) and certainly saved us several points a season. Rice is class, but the fees that get mentioned are absurd. Rice is a good water carrier, but he’s not top rank. Fees quotes are absurd. Given had far too many flaws to be a genuinely first-rate keeper, but at his best peak was always one of the five or six best keepers in the PL. His distribution, command of his area and claiming of crosses were all sub-par. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 5 substitutes. Pisses all over VAR as being the worst thing to happen to football in the last 5 or so years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: 5 substitutes. Pisses all over VAR as being the worst thing to happen to football in the last 5 or so years. Almost certainly the end of an outfield player ending up in nets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Ffs I'm no fan of Liverpool but this tram is stinking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 They must've had a better RB than Trent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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