Thoughts on this summer's transfer window

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I understand what people are saying about the squad, but surely we also have to expect a pick-up in performances, less injuries etc from last season? I don't think it's fair to just take last season as the absolute benchmark of where we are as a club... far too simplistic IMO.

 

Doesn't change the fact that the window was shite, obviously.

[BrettNUFC]

Honestly not having a go at anyone here. But remember we "hung on" to all our players last summer as well and look at where we were come January.

 

Hopefully the January signings plus Remy will be enough for us to be stronger than we were last year but we're going to need to have incredible luck with injuries.

 

Yeah can see where you’re coming, from but so far on the injury front we've been lucky it's hits the right players this time. We've got off to season to very a solid start with 4 points in first 3 games, in the next round of the cup and on the back of 3 clean sheets in a row. Villa will be a bigger test to see where we are really at as they have looked decent themselves.

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

Could've been a whole lot worse but should've been a whole lot better.

[Nobody]

I haven't seen anyone doing this. We've had a s*** window, please complain about it. It's just the pre-complaining about things that haven't happened, and the martyrs reveling in assuming the worst of everything, that's annoying.

 

The thing is it's so blatantly obvious what was happening as we've seen it before, so it's not a far stretch for people to assume it's happening again. 

 

 

Like in January when people were complaining a week in to the transfer window and the likes of Inochi and Ian W (I'm assuming, I can't bloody remember) told people to be patient and were right that time?

It's a complete and utter shambles that we haven't made any signings, but I really don't see the point in jumping on those that were hoping and not prepared to complain about things prematurely.

[Dinho lad]

Disappointed, as opposed to raging, as I didn't expect much anyway.

[Dinho lad]

It's time to do our bit...... don't fucking go to matches!

[ScottishMagpie]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

[Jill]

Disappointed, as opposed to raging, as I didn't expect much anyway.

 

This + desperately hoping we're not hit with injuries as although we have several players I rate, there's just not enough depth.

[Dan Gleebals]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

Get the feeling "Ashley supports Sunderland" would not even generate a response with some!

[George Bailey]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

Get the feeling "Ashley supports Sunderland" would not even generate a response with some!

 

No the usual appeasers would still be coming out with the same tepid statements of support for him and still be in denial over what is happening. All wrapped up in the flag of " I support NUFC whatever happens" of course.

 

Nothing is going to change anyone's minds it would seem.

 

The camp of those who can't separate supporting NUFC with seeing themselves as actively underpinning this rotten regime, don't appear to have any tipping points at all.

 

Likewise, In fairness, those of us in opposite camp: IE those who have had enough and wont be back or financially add anything to the club we love until they are gone, probably are well past the point of no return for the regime. There is probably nowt they could do to convince me they had the best intentions at heart for the club.

 

Seems we will have to agree to disagree. Loyalty I guess means different things to different people.

 

I cannot personally get my head around the position of the collaborators, or the appeasers at all mind. Battered wives syndrome springs to mind.

 

This rotten, vile owner and regime know a % will just keep coming back for more slaps and black eyes, whilst they piss themselves laughing at the victims.

 

As for the window activity "not arsed ether way". Nothing matters until things change at the top.

We have an owner who doesn't want to be one, an ineffective, inept and corrupt manager who is a puppet, and a DOF who is simply a two fingered gesture to us.

 

Signings or selling players is largely irrelevant, we are going nowhere until this is changed....Treading water. Standing still, which is actually taking the club in a backwards momentum in the real term.

[madras]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

about football ? nothing would get me to raging.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Where are these supporters of Ashley? 

[localshop]

I just can't believe we couldn't get a deal done for a striker considering we had all summer. If Cisse gets injured we don't have an out and out goalscorer in the whole squad.

[BottledDog]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

 

Basically my feelings too. I am very disappointed with the window, but I'm not 'raging' because our group of players is actually pretty good. And for me that's the most important thing.

[Elliottman]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

 

Basically my feelings too. I am very disappointed with the window, but I'm not 'raging' because our group of players is actually pretty good. And for me that's the most important thing.

 

But Ian, thats essentially  Ashleys view too and its wrong. This is Newcastle United ffs. The squad is strong enough to stay up aye, maybe push the top 10 depending on injuries but is that all we are good for? We know the club is capable of so much more.

 

People arent angry about the squad we have, people are angry about the squad that we should have and havent.

[Spudil]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

Get the feeling "Ashley supports Sunderland" would not even generate a response with some!

 

No the usual appeasers would still be coming out with the same tepid statements of support for him and still be in denial over what is happening. All wrapped up in the flag of " I support NUFC whatever happens" of course.

 

Nothing is going to change anyone's minds it would seem.

 

The camp of those who can't separate supporting NUFC with seeing themselves as actively underpinning this rotten regime, don't appear to have any tipping points at all.

 

Likewise, In fairness, those of us in opposite camp: IE those who have had enough and wont be back or financially add anything to the club we love until they are gone, probably are well past the point of no return for the regime. There is probably nowt they could do to convince me they had the best intentions at heart for the club.

 

Seems we will have to agree to disagree. Loyalty I guess means different things to different people.

 

I cannot personally get my head around the position of the collaborators, or the appeasers at all mind. Battered wives syndrome springs to mind.

 

This rotten, vile owner and regime know a % will just keep coming back for more slaps and black eyes, whilst they p*ss themselves laughing at the victims.

 

As for the window activity "not arsed ether way". Nothing matters until things change at the top.

We have an owner who doesn't want to be one, an ineffective, inept and corrupt manager who is a puppet, and a DOF who is simply a two fingered gesture to us.

 

Signings or selling players is largely irrelevant, we are going nowhere until this is changed....Treading water. Standing still, which is actually taking the club in a backwards momentum in the real term.

 

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the bit in bold is a great description

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

 

Basically my feelings too. I am very disappointed with the window, but I'm not 'raging' because our group of players is actually pretty good. And for me that's the most important thing.

 

But Ian, thats esecially Ashleys view too and its wrong. This is Newcastle United ffs. The squad is strong enough to stay up aye, maybe push the top 10 depending on injuries but is that all we are good for? We know the club is capable of so much more.

 

People arent angry about the squad we have, people are angry about the squad that we should have and havent.

 

Sure, fair point. We aren't achieving our potential, no argument from me on that. But to really dissect that point we have to get into all sorts of things like what really is our potential, how expensive is it to get there, what about the established top teams, how much risk should we take, should Ashley spend his personal money etc etc. I don't think anyone can be bothered to reopen that debate now.

 

But at SJP, we have a group of players that are likeable and have ability. They can produce memorable moments and enjoyable matches if they can recover some form. Yes, as I've been told by Wullie many times, accepting this is possibly defeatist etc, but my instinct is to support them.

[Elliottman]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

 

Basically my feelings too. I am very disappointed with the window, but I'm not 'raging' because our group of players is actually pretty good. And for me that's the most important thing.

 

But Ian, thats esecially Ashleys view too and its wrong. This is Newcastle United ffs. The squad is strong enough to stay up aye, maybe push the top 10 depending on injuries but is that all we are good for? We know the club is capable of so much more.

 

People arent angry about the squad we have, people are angry about the squad that we should have and havent.

 

Sure, fair point. We aren't achieving our potential, no argument from me on that. But to really dissect that point we have to get into all sorts of things like what really is our potential, how expensive is it to get there, what about the established top teams, how much risk should we take, should Ashley spend his personal money etc etc. I don't think anyone can be bothered to reopen that debate now.

 

But at SJP, we have a group of players that are likeable and have ability. They can produce memorable moments and enjoyable matches if they can recover some form. Yes, as I've been told by Wullie many times, accepting this is possibly defeatist etc, but my instinct is to support them.

 

I agree with you on that, its the only thing thats stopped me from calling SJP so far today and cancelling my season ticket.

[BrettNUFC]

 

But at SJP, we have a group of players that are likeable and have ability. They can produce memorable moments and enjoyable matches if they can recover some form. Yes, as I've been told by Wullie many times, accepting this is possibly defeatist etc, but my instinct is to support them.

 

I'd be careful what you say when Neesy is lurking around today....

[Guest palnese]

[Lotus]

It was a f**king embarrassment of a window. What a total lack of any sporting ambition whatsoever. A complete a total lack of ANY desire to improve things on the pitch. It is literally the LAST priority to the owner and the dozy prick he's put in charge.

 

So, the first thing we as fans look for, THE FOOTBALL, is the very last thing that matters to the owner. What a sorry state of affairs for NUFC.

[pi_D]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

Good post

[BottledDog]

I know everyone's different but sometimes wonder what it would take for some folk to reach "raging" stage.

 

In this case, something fairly specific for me. It was not inconceivable we'd sell our best players and bring in some cheap crap. It has been often said this would fit the Ashley model.

 

We haven't done that.

 

We have Krul, Debuchy, Yanga Mbiwa, Santon and Collocinni. A very pleasing back 5.

We have Haten Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye and Anita. A perfectly palatable central 5.

We have Gouffran, Cisse and Remy. A not unexciting front 3.

We have a good bench, but beyond that, not a lot of quality.

 

We clearly lack an effective senior attacking left winger and a striker. Pardew indicated he wanted at least one or both and he got neither. That is deeply disappointing, deeply frustrating, and we're all pretty angry about it. Not least because all it would have taken to elevate our optimism for this season considerably would have been that one extra attacker.

 

Raging, no (that would have come if we'd sold anyone of note). But as it is, it's an opportunity well and truly missed.

 

Good post

 

Cheers, think that Central five is a four though. Doh!

 

What a difference bringing in just Thauvin or someone similar would have made man. 'kin'ell.

[Yorkie]

I'm struggling to describe how I feel really - there's no fixed emotion. I'm a mix of being angry, deflated, jealous, pessimistic and mutinous (boycoutt!)... but then, running parallel to all of those emotions, I'm more apathetic than I've ever been.

 

I actually think we've got one of the most talented squads I've known in my time supporting the club. Considering I entered NUFCdom towards the tail-end of the Dalglish era, there's only been a brief spell under Bobby where we had a squad that was unquestionably talented... from the goalie on the bench to the starting striker.

 

Man-to-man, in terms of raw talent, this squad isn't a million miles behind imo. The problems are: it's light in a couple of vital areas, the league is of a better standard than it was in 2002, and it's shackled by a poor manager. The playing staff is generally of a high standard.

 

I would have been extremely pleased with two strikers and a winger. We got 33% of that and cleared-out some deadwood, so I'm not entirely sure if I should be 'raging' at the results of this transfer window itself. Not that I'm 'happy'; it's still fairly poor, just not horrific.

 

The negative emotions aren't born from the state of the squad, they're born from the fact that this transfer window has provided confirmation that there is zero footballing ambition from the people who matter most. Literally zero. Ashley is keeping hold of the club on the pretence that it maintains a Premier League income and provides opportunities for free advertising for Sports Direct. That's all he is bothered about and until that changes (ie, he goes), any hopes or ambitions we have as supporters are utterly shattered. There is no chance of the 5th-place 'fluke' happening again because that came from momentum, of which we have none.

 

So, as for the actual results of players in/out - not great, not horrendous, just fairly pants. We've had worse windows imo, and there's a very minor improvement to what was already a decent squad.

 

As for the implications of the transfer window - terrible. Woeful. Just about enough to kill off any hope whatsoever. We're just going to have to cling onto the odd special occasion as we stroll along at a pedestrian pace, avoiding relegation at best, season after season until he is gone.