mrmojorisin75 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually fucks off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone fucking stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. Even if we assumed that could happen. Be at least a month before those deals are done, maybe another month to sell(being massively generous) then who is ever going to buy a PL club who cant even fill a teamsheet in with senior players? Be amazed if all that happened before the transfer deadline don't BG necessarily implied it all had to happen this summer like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually fucks off though? That's anyone's guess. He'll never sell us, buying us was the best thing he's ever done. It's no coincidence how much sports direct has grown since he got his hands on us. He won't let that go. He's got us exactly where he wants us and unless a daft offer say £300m plus debts paid comes in he's going nowhere. I don't even think a relegation will see him off. He knows he can sell all our players, buy cheap and bring in free and come back up without much hassle. It cost him, well us £30m last time, it wouldn't cost him this time due to the wage bill being so low and us having more sellable assets. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ashley family own us for the next couple of generations. The thing is though, will be continue to syphon off the huge profits once his loan is paid back - in essence, could he then buy Rangers and use Newcastle's money to support them financially? I'm not sure him staying in charge long term is an option, because the club has become a toxic brand in it's own city. Totally alienate the support and you have nout left. I can't see many still wanting to go and see us humped off Man United and Arsenal, season after season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually fucks off though? That's anyone's guess. He'll never sell us, buying us was the best thing he's ever done. It's no coincidence how much sports direct has grown since he got his hands on us. He won't let that go. He's got us exactly where he wants us and unless a daft offer say £300m plus debts paid comes in he's going nowhere. I don't even think a relegation will see him off. He knows he can sell all our players, buy cheap and bring in free and come back up without much hassle. It cost him, well us £30m last time, it wouldn't cost him this time due to the wage bill being so low and us having more sellable assets. Wouldn't surprise me if the Ashley family own us for the next couple of generations. The thing is though, will be continue to syphon off the huge profits once his loan is paid back - in essence, could he then buy Rangers and use Newcastle's money to support them financially? I'm not sure him staying in charge long term is an option, because the club has become a toxic brand in it's own city. Totally alienate the support and you have nout left. I can't see many still wanting to go and see us humped off Man United and Arsenal, season after season. Problem is, the club can live off the tv money, much smaller clubs with higher wage bills will do so, the fans aren't the main income any more. If sky told him to fuck off things would be different, they are in charge of the game these days. The premier league alone has shown you can change the colour of your club, it's name, it's badge, the stadiums name, sell your best players to your rivals and probably more that I can't think of right now, yet the fans have no say, no input and can't do owt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually fucks off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone fucking stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. Even if we assumed that could happen. Be at least a month before those deals are done, maybe another month to sell(being massively generous) then who is ever going to buy a PL club who cant even fill a teamsheet in with senior players? Be amazed if all that happened before the transfer deadline don't BG necessarily implied it all had to happen this summer like He does as he says 'as a PL club' If we sold even half of those and spent nowt theres no other outcome in 12 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Going to be sitting with £100m in the bank by next summer if it doesnt go against the debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I'm not sure him staying in charge long term is an option, because the club has become a toxic brand in it's own city. Totally alienate the support and you have nout left. I can't see many still wanting to go and see us humped off Man United and Arsenal, season after season. unless this manifests itself in either empty seats or outright hostility on the cardiff scale then none of it will matter tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 It's definitely personal, put yourself in his shoes, we all hate him so he doesn't come anymore so he sees us as a cash cow. if any one of us inherited say Plymouth off a rich uncle, would we give a shit if they were any good so long as they made us money and with a board and manager in place that will do literally anything we say, why change the only thing that will get rid is to stop going and deface the name of sports direct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Going to be sitting with £100m in the bank by next summer if it doesnt go against the debt Sure why not, healthy cash reserves for future investments into the playing squad and infrastructure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Going to be sitting with £100m in the bank by next summer if it doesnt go against the debt Sure why not, healthy cash reserves for future investments into the playing squad and infrastructure I'd also imagine a profit of around £50+ million next March, will be taxable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Going to be sitting with £100m in the bank by next summer if it doesnt go against the debt Sure why not, healthy cash reserves for future investments into the playing squad and infrastructure I'd also imagine a profit of around £50+ million next March, will be taxable? As we have all seen with Vodafone Starbucks et al, they have ways around such small inconveniences Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Yup, and why he's going nowhere. If he came out and said I'm selling players and buying replacements on the cheap to repay the money owed, once that's done the club is up for sale I'd welcome every bid for every player and we spent fuck all every window to know he's gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 It's definitely personal, put yourself in his shoes, we all hate him so he doesn't come anymore so he sees us as a cash cow. if any one of us inherited say Plymouth off a rich uncle, would we give a shit if they were any good so long as they made us money and with a board and manager in place that will do literally anything we say, why change the only thing that will get rid is to stop going and deface the name of sports direct Didnt he only miss one game(Cardiff) last season? Pretty sure he was at majority of them like. He doesnt care what we think, hes a businessman we are throwing cash at him so can say what we want in his eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 His main interest is doing spectacularly well, the club is ticking along nicely with a skeleton staff, SD is getting fantastic exposure for literally no cost and the proles aren't even protesting against him. Where's the incentive to sell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I still think we are being fattened up (for want of a better phrase) to be sold next summer. He'll have made enough back from the TV money at that point for his loan to be paid back and he's hoping that this campaign, we'll somehow completely fluke staying up with next to no investment. Said it before and I'll say it again, this club has been dying a slow death since he bought it back in 2007. What will be left when he eventually f***s off though? That's anyone's guess. was just talking about this with a lad at work, lets assume we sell debuchy this summer, maybe krul and sissoko too plus the unwanteds and we go on to post a record profit.... is he trying to set the club up as an attractive proposition to buyers in that it's profitable? if so he'd have to be selling to someone f***ing stupid 'cause they'd be buying the equivalent of the house at the end of blazing saddles that just collapse as there's nothing but a front supported by rickety pieces of wood Me personally, I think he wants his loan back asap and he'll then seek to sell us - as a PL club but one that has been hollowed out from the inside. TV money will be the major attraction for a new buyer, but it's still going to need significant investment to rebuild after Ashley has finished with us. I've also believed that it's personal on his part (towards us) and has been since Keegan resigned. The club is a shell, it needs it's debts to him gone before anyone will come near. That debt isn't going anywhere imo, It's his leverage for the free advertising. Yup, and why he's going nowhere. If he came out and said I'm selling players and buying replacements on the cheap to repay the money owed, once that's done the club is up for sale I'd welcome every bid for every player and we spent f*** all every window to know he's gone. Yup couldn't agree more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 His main interest is doing spectacularly well, the club is ticking along nicely with a skeleton staff, SD is getting fantastic exposure for literally no cost and the proles aren't even protesting against him. Where's the incentive to sell? Because his brand won't look so good in the championship, which is where we are currently heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 we are throwing cash at him so can say what we want in his eyes it's going to be a long time before the majority walk away from handing him cash like, unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 His main interest is doing spectacularly well, the club is ticking along nicely with a skeleton staff, SD is getting fantastic exposure for literally no cost and the proles aren't even protesting against him. Where's the incentive to sell? Because his brand won't look so good in the championship, which is where we are currently heading. Finished top half last time out without having to sign a single player or change manager. That's all he'll be looking at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 His main interest is doing spectacularly well, the club is ticking along nicely with a skeleton staff, SD is getting fantastic exposure for literally no cost and the proles aren't even protesting against him. Where's the incentive to sell? Because his brand won't look so good in the championship, which is where we are currently heading. Finished top half last time out without having to sign a single player or change manager. That's all he'll be looking at. If he believes that again for next season, then he's off his fucking nut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 His main interest is doing spectacularly well, the club is ticking along nicely with a skeleton staff, SD is getting fantastic exposure for literally no cost and the proles aren't even protesting against him. Where's the incentive to sell? Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 we are throwing cash at him so can say what we want in his eyes it's going to be a long time before the majority walk away from handing him cash like, unfortunately True and he knows it all too well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Thinking he will sell is more wishful thinking tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 He tried to sell us last time. There's one/another reason. That was the summer before we went down http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8075713.stm Interesting quotes too. Might well be hearing them again quite soon. If you really believe that £80m included the £140m loan(at the time) then theres no point He still publicly put us up for sale, which is the point. I haven't looked into it deeply but I've not seen any mention of the loan being included in any of the reports from the time. £80-100 million is the number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Ashley doesn't seem to sell businesses. He buys them then absorbs them, he does buy and sell shares tho. I think NUC is now well and truely absorbed into his bigger business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 He tried to sell us last time. There's one/another reason. That was the summer before we went down http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8075713.stm Interesting quotes too. Might well be hearing them again quite soon. If you really believe that £80m included the £140m loan(at the time) then theres no point He still publicly put us up for sale, which is the point. I haven't looked into it deeply but I've not seen any mention of the loan being included in any of the reports from the time. £80-100 million is the number. Its always been up for sale 'at the right price' that will never change. Of course it wasnt mentioned, he isnt going to say it to the press is he? You genuinely think that not one person in the world wouldnt have bought us 'all in' for £80m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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