Kimbo Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. Monk was promoted from within at Swansea, wasn't he? Debatable whether he was a success or not like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Southgate at Boro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I wouldn't be against someone like Unsworth getting a job at a club like Everton, its kind of what happens a lot on the continent. Promote from withinetc. I'd far rather see the likes of him giving a chance or a start than someone like Big Sam getting back on the managerial merry-go-round. I can't stand Ryan Giggs and think he would make a terrible manager, but even he has had some kind of apprenticeship and again I'd rather give others a chance than see the regular lot keep picking up jobs despite proving to be s*** at their job. I mean you Pardew for instance! Carver was never managerial material, he was barely a coach from what I've heard from ex players. He was basically KK's Terry Mac to Sir Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. Hughton? Wasn't in the premier league when he got the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. Hughton? Wasn't in the premier league when he got the job. Technically you're right but it's bit harsh, mind. He was caretaker once or twice in the PL, then got us promoted and was a PL manager with us for half a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think promoting from within has a terrible record in the premier league, I'm struggling to think of a time it has ever worked. It doesn't have the best of records, but it isn't a regular thing so its hard to compare or critique. The money involved in our game makes it hard for any club to take a gamble on someone from within. Can you imagine NUFC giving say Nobby Solano the job like Barca did with Guardiola who in the grande scheme of things was of a similar status legend/hero/icon wise? There is almost a sense of instant success or instant improvement demanded by owners and even fans, that and in our culture managers of old have networked superbly via the media and ex players to keep themselves in the public eye where jobs are involved so get back into things regularly. Ultimately though, promoting from within is risky here because our ex players are dumb as fuck when it comes to coaching and have all been schooled in an archaic way. Beardsley was a great player, but emphasises work effort, graft and bottle over skill and technique for example which is crazy considering how great he was. But that's what strengths he was brought up on to demonstrate as a player. Thankfully for him, he had the skill and technique to be even more than the sum of work rate, hard work and bottle etc. Imagine him in charge of this team though? We would be guaranteed to go down. He cannot succeed even at u23 or development level. This a former great player with vast experience at a level where he should be more than comfortable at. I think we are a decade or so behind the continent in that regard. Nothing will change, however, unless former players, good or bad, go into coaching, development roles and at lower levels because the top teams and the top league is a closed shop. The cream always rises to the top. Of all the current British managers out there right now I regard Hughton, Dyche and someone like Monk way ahead of your Moyes', Big Sams', Hughes' et al because they don't rely on money or reputation or dour football/percentages to get results. They coach, they develop, they build, they improve. They do a good job. Coaching standards are joke in England, you just have to watch kids' football. My two are just getting into it and my 3 year old is in an age group between 4-6, but he's a confident boy and isn't afraid to go ainst someone older or bigger. A few weeks back he wasn't himself and the coach said perhaps he needs to be playing with kids his own age. Maybe so... but, first of all he had recently had the flue, he was missing his mam who was in Germany and he is 3 years old. This coach is in his early 40s, lovely bloke and in it for fun and to help kids, I have no problem with him whatsoever. The younger coach in his 20s, however, interjected and said, he will be fine as the week before he was getting stuck in and had no issue against kids older or better than him. I say better, I hate that word for kids, more developed maybe. The following week my 3 year old was full of beans, getting stuck in and loved every moment he played. Its about understanding things and sorry, but most British people in our game, be it fans, owners, players or coaches and managers lack understanding. They think about work rate, physicality, mentality etc. and while its all needed at the highest level, not above development or skill and technique, especially lower down the age and level range. I mean I like Southgate, he's more modern with his methods and coaching and gets it, but I think he lacks the personality or character to unify a team of talented if not exactly great individuals into a winning team. But do you know what, I hope it works and it was kind of brave of the FA to give him it. He's fucking miles of ahead of the likes of Big Sam. But the supporter in me, the typical British/English fan wants the best, wants instant success or improvement so feel it was an easy choice, the wrong choice. Again I hope he does really well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Chelsea did it a couple of times in the late 90s resulting in short term success (trophies with Gullit and Vialli). Shame you never see player managers at the top level anymore, it was a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Also, as soon as you go further back than the PL era, or go abroad there are loads of examples of successful promotions from within. Guardiola's the obvious one, and Tuchel. Weren't Dalglish and Paisley promoted from within as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Footballers in this country just seem thicker somehow. On the continent you can imagine a smart ex club captain taking the reigns of their club. Over here it's like Gerrard or Terry or Keane. Thick as mince. I'd like to see clubs hire more non ex professional footballers as managers. Reckon there's some top young coaches who have never played the game at a high level out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Mourinho’s done alright for himself after being promoted from within at Benfica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Nagelsmann is a good example of promoting from within. Sadly as shown by Cathro there seems to be a lot that don't want these types to succeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Footballers in this country just seem thicker somehow. On the continent you can imagine a smart ex club captain taking the reigns of their club. Over here it's like Gerrard or Terry or Keane. Thick as mince. No, it's just that you know more about them over here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I love this quote from Moyes: "It is good for West Ham, they are getting a good manager," he said. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41919854 This is fun too: "I got the chance at Manchester United, which is well documented. I had a great time in Spain. I came back and made a poor choice in the club I chose." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 English players often lack IQ on the pitch. I can see it being similar when they become managers. Cabaye is no more talented than Shelvey, physically or with the ball - both pretty bad athletes at this level. One would engage his brain for 90 (or 70) minutes, the other only when he wants too. Gerrard, Ramsey, Shelvey even Fabregas who had a lot of his education in England. All kick and rush (although very good at it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Fabregas has always been a clever little footballer though hasn't he To say he's 'kick and rush' is a strange one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I dunno, like. At least their 02/03 squad had Kevin Phillips, who was a proven PL striker. This, on the other hand, is really bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005%E2%80%9306_Sunderland_A.F.C._season#First-team_squad Jon Stead, one goal in all competitions. The horror, still could be worse... Darron Gibson man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Fabregas has always been a clever little footballer though hasn't he To say he's 'kick and rush' is a strange one On the ball yes. But his positional sense and off the ball movement isn't focussed on the team. Tactically ill-disciplined which is partly why he wasn't a big success at Barcelona. Pep once described him as something like an "anarchist" or something to that effect. He's gotten better at it over the years but against strong teams, he still needs to be given a free role in order to excel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Weird to use someone as petulant and rash as Cabaye as an example of intelligence though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 What a tit Hippo Heed is! He may as well have begged for it! Potential new boss outlines the one thing Everton must do to save their season http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-bright-future-need-manager-11491648#ICID=ios_mirrorfootball_AppShare_Click_Other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Caught a bit of him on talkSHITE this morning. Was going on about how he thinks Barkley needs to get his priorities right and forget about the money he could make from moving clubs. This coming from the bloke that's been investigated for corruption and caught making a dodgy deal for a large sum of money whilst managing England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Moyes on Moyes "I think it’s a good gamble and I think if I was a West Ham chairman I would certainly consider David Moyes as manager, that’s for sure." Well of course. You're David Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Heard his comments yesterday about having not done due dilligence on Sunderland, and saying in hindsight he shouldn't have went there. This of course followed on from him mentioning his 10 years at Everton but pretty much glossing over being sacked from his next 2 positions, and being out of work before they (Mackems) came knocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Moyes on Moyes "I think it’s a good gamble and I think if I was a West Ham chairman I would certainly consider David Moyes as manager, that’s for sure." Well of course. You're David Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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