The Managerial Merry Go Round™ - Silva leaves Fulham

[toon25]

Gan on you rank Dipper fucks, there's only one man for you...

 

[Pata]

11 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Of course the budgets are different. Newcastle shouldn't be judged by Liverpool's standards in absolute terms.

 

But both clubs have underperformed massively relative to expectations. Liverpool were expected to challenge for the title. Newcastle were expected to be competing for the top 5-6. Both failed spectacularly, yet only one club allowed that to have consequences.

 

And if we're going to keep hearing about the 58-game season, it's worth remembering that Aston Villa played 56 games, won the Europa League and still qualified for the Champions League through a 4th-place finish.

 

We absolutely don't have Liverpool's budget. We do, however, have a budget that should be capable of finishing a lot higher than 12th.

 

We were above Villa on Understat's expected points. History is not kind to teams who overperform like Villa did this season. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 14:23 by Pata

[Milburn]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

You got examples? Managers with prolonged success, who then have a bad season, see it through to next season, and then things either don't improve or get worse.

Pochettino finished 4th and reached a Champions League final with Spurs. Sounds great. What gets forgotten is that Spurs took roughly 25 points from their final 19 league games that season. The decline had already started. He got the next season and was sacked a few months later.

 

Rodgers finished 5th, 5th and won the FA Cup with Leicester. Then came an 8th-place finish and a drop from around 66 points to 52. He got another season and was sacked with Leicester in the relegation zone.

 

And then there's Howe himself at Bournemouth. 9th, then 12th, then 14th, then relegation. Once the decline started, he never managed to reverse it.

[Ikon]

Funny how this happens the same day there’s a CL final. ”Give us more attention please”..

[The Bonk]

6 minutes ago, toon25 said:

Gan on you rank Dipper fucks, there's only one man for you...

 

Squad is a bit old for him to man-age, I reckon.

[Ben]

4 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Of course the budgets are different. Newcastle shouldn't be judged by Liverpool's standards in absolute terms.

 

But both clubs have underperformed massively relative to expectations. Liverpool were expected to challenge for the title. Newcastle were expected to be competing for the top 5-6. Both failed spectacularly, yet only one club allowed that to have consequences.

 

And if we're going to keep hearing about the 58-game season, it's worth remembering that Aston Villa played 56 games, won the Europa League and still qualified for the Champions League through a 4th-place finish.

 

We absolutely don't have Liverpool's budget. We do, however, have a budget that should be capable of finishing a lot higher than 12th.

 

So by money spent the league should be- 

 

1 Liverpool £442

2 Chelsea £276

3 Arsenal £263

4 Newcastle £252

5 Man Utd £228

6 Forest £200

7 Spurs £174

8 Man City £173

9 Sunderland £150

10 Bournemouth £134

11 West Ham £125

12 Everton £122

13 Wolves £102

14 Leeds £100

15 Burnley £87

16 Brentford £84

17 Brighton £68

18 Crystal Palace £45

19 Aston Villa £34

20 Fulham £34

[Andy]

I think Iraola will do well there but it's always hard to tell. It's pretty easy to look good at clubs like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth where there's almost no pressure and finishing top 8 is seen as being wildly above expectations. 

 

Plenty of managers have been good at those types of clubs then failed miserably when they've got their big move. 

[Jackie Broon]

11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

You got examples? Managers with prolonged success, who then have a bad season, see it through to next season, and then things either don't improve or get worse.

 

Arsene Wenger

Brenden Rogers at Liverpool

Harry Redknapp at Spurs

Manuel Pellegrini

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

I think Iraola will do well there but it's always hard to tell. It's pretty easy to look good at clubs like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth where there's almost no pressure and finishing top 8 is seen as being wildly above expectations. 

 

Plenty of managers have been good at those types of clubs then failed miserably when they've got their big move. 

 

Well you don't know until they get the job at such a club.

 

I actually think Glasner would probably be a better choice for them.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 14:29 by El Prontonise

[ffs]

5 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

So by money spent the league should be- 

 

1 Liverpool £442

2 Chelsea £276

3 Arsenal £263

4 Newcastle £252

5 Man Utd £228

6 Forest £200

7 Spurs £174

8 Man City £173

9 Sunderland £150

10 Bournemouth £134

11 West Ham £125

12 Everton £122

13 Wolves £102

14 Leeds £100

15 Burnley £87

16 Brentford £84

17 Brighton £68

18 Crystal Palace £45

19 Aston Villa £34

20 Fulham £34

 

this would need to be the playing budgets. then absolutely agree 👍 

[The Bonk]

Should see a new brand of touchline inhaler’s next season. Isak will be cooked if that’s how he runs training.

[toontownman]

Guess we shall see if Iraola lives up to the hype now just like Maresca.

[ffs]

1 minute ago, The Bonk said:

Should see a new brand of touchline inhaler’s next season. Isak will be cooked if that’s how he runs training.

 

this approach, combined with european football, has the potential to have hilarious results. fingers crossed 

[Kid Icarus]

14 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Pochettino finished 4th and reached a Champions League final with Spurs. Sounds great. What gets forgotten is that Spurs took roughly 25 points from their final 19 league games that season. The decline had already started. He got the next season and was sacked a few months later.

 

Rodgers finished 5th, 5th and won the FA Cup with Leicester. Then came an 8th-place finish and a drop from around 66 points to 52. He got another season and was sacked with Leicester in the relegation zone.

 

And then there's Howe himself at Bournemouth. 9th, then 12th, then 14th, then relegation. Once the decline started, he never managed to reverse it.

 

That bit that gets forgot about Pochettino was them focussing on the Champions League, wasn't it? The way Spurs treated him was a joke and they've never been the same since.

 

The Rodgers example is a good one I think. From what I remember he'd ran the players into the ground, the injuries got ridiculous, and everything collapsed.

 

The Howe one (aside from it being Howe obviously) isn’t though really, those 9th, 12th, 14th positions were 46, 44, 45 points, so it was more steady than it wad a decline that couldn't be halted, until the following season.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 14:38 by Kid Icarus

[GeordieDazzler]

Yeah it’s still a case of taking a talented ‘project’ manager from a small boutique club and putting him in a high pressure job at one of the world’s biggest clubs. 

It’s never just a sporting or tactical appointment, it’s an emotional and political one too. 
 

We’ve seen numerous of these managers from small, tightly run clubs, crash and burn recently - Potter, Rosienior at Chelsea, Amorim at Man U, Alonso at Real. Howe one of the few who seemed to get past that, but obviously has had his issues too. 
 

Klopp was at a massive club in Dortmund prior to Liverpool, Iroala has only ever managed Larnarca, Rayo and Bournemouth. It’s a gigantic step up, interesting to see if he can make it. 

 

[The Bonk]

2 minutes ago, ffs said:

 

this approach, combined with european football, has the potential to have hilarious results. fingers crossed 

There’s no way the big players conform to his training schedule. Too many egos like Ekitike, an absolute dimwit, but excellent forward.

[St1pe]

Wow Liverpool haven’t fucked around here have they? 

 

Fair play.

[Kid Icarus]

17 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Arsene Wenger

Brenden Rogers at Liverpool

Harry Redknapp at Spurs

Manuel Pellegrini

 

Wenger probably had to end, but he never failed like, and they entered their decade long banter era when he left.

 

Rodgers is a good shout, similar to Leicester too.

 

Redknapp never had the chance to fail, he was sacked after a 4th place finish.

 

Pellegrini, 4th and a League Cup isn't toooo bad like. 

[Begbie]

Just now, Andy said:

I think Iraola will do well there but it's always hard to tell. It's pretty easy to look good at clubs like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth where there's almost no pressure and finishing top 8 is seen as being wildly above expectations. 

 

Plenty of managers have been good at those types of clubs then failed miserably when they've got their big move. 

I really dont get this argument you are making? If you turn your argument around plenty of managers have failed under same circumstances.

 

Its not easy no matter what team in the PL you are managing, Bournmouth sold most of their star players(3/4 defenders) and manage to do better than the season before, on top of that got European football by actually playing good football. We sold one and looked out of shape for most of the season and not playing good football. Being the right manager is also about timing and luck, great managers like Ancelotti are also strugling. Some times its just a right fit and most times its not.

[Stottie]

I don't rate Slot, but I also don't rate whoever did their transfers last summer. Unlike NUFC, I doubt it was their manager on his own. Even Carragher said straight away that Isak, Ekitike, and Wirtz could not play together. Someone at LFC decided to buy them, to let Diaz go, and to let Quansah go when they have little CB cover, which is why Konate had to play through that ropey patch. Liverpool may have had transfer special sauce when they bought Robertson, Mane, Salah, etc., but they've not got it now. Even if Iraola can bring some Bournemouth transfer data with him, it will not be focused on the Doue-level players Liverpool are likely to buy.

 

I expect Iraola to get more out of their squad, 45 points from the last 33 games isn't hard to beat, but I doubt they will challenge for the title, especially not with Ekitike unlikely to play again in 2026.

 

[Menace]

Slot turned into a cunt quite quickly when things weren't going his way. Curious how Iraola will get on.

[SAK]

We would have been in competition with Liverpool for some of our targets particularly wide players this summer. We should use the transition phase in them appointing a new manager to move fast on our targets. 

[Andy]

1 minute ago, Begbie said:

I really dont get this argument you are making? If you turn your argument around plenty of managers have failed under same circumstances.

 

Its not easy no matter what team in the PL you are managing, Bournmouth sold most of their star players(3/4 defenders) and manage to do better than the season before, on top of that got European football by actually playing good football. We sold one and looked out of shape for most of the season and not playing good football. Being the right manager is also about timing and luck, great managers like Ancelotti are also strugling. Some times its just a right fit and most times its not.

 

The likes of Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford are set up from the very top to allow a manager to succeed in that environment, their recruitment infrastructure in particular is absolutely superb and it's why Brighton and Brentford especially have been able to change managers and maintain the exact same level of success, with the previous managers hardly pulling up trees at their respective new jobs. 

 

It's a very different demand to move to a club where the expectation is to be able to compete on all fronts, win trophies and manage egos. 

 

My argument is that there are very few examples of it actually working in the premier league, whereas there are plenty of examples of it failing. 

[GideonShandy]

1 hour ago, Bimpy474 said:

I like Araola, now i have to hate the butthead looking goofball. 

Probably should punch his parents in the gob and hope his winky rots off, tbh.

[TRon]

37 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Well you don't know until they get the job at such a club.

 

I actually think Glasner would probably be a better choice for them.

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure if Glasner would have been the right fit for Liverpool but when I suggested him as a replacement for Howe it got a fair bit of blowback. He's not too popular, maybe because of what is perceived to be a defensive style, but he's won silverware twice now at a small club. I think he is seriously underrated.