leffe186 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Interpolic said: I can see why Spurs fans are pissed off. They seemed on the cusp of something special a few years back and have ruined it with managerial appointments and signings that have left them looking a far worse side. Plus the football they play has been dreadful for ages. We know better than most that with results and style of play, you can forgive one being bad but not both. Especially for a prolonged period. Yup. And we haven’t won a trophy in that time (you need a bit of luck too). There’s bits of truth in all of what people are saying, but also the usual problems. Things are cyclical in football, just that the influx of mental money at a handful of clubs has moderated this a bit to maintain something of a status quo for a long time. Levy has been the one constant for us, which has been both positive and negative. @Stal is right to cast shade at the twats who said stupid stuff about Ashley as there are some echoes of that in here as in so many fans’ comments about every rival. Mourinho was a stupid appointment by Levy. Pochettino was a great appointment by Levy. Timing and luck is important. Eddie Howe was the right man at the right time. @brummie talking about us being arrivistes is a funny wind-up but silly, because it all depends upon timing. When I started working at the Fort Retail Park I was genuinely surprised by the self-image of the Villa fans around me because they were also-rans at the time (despite me growing up with the Ron Saunders teams). Since then, I’ve been married to a Villa fan for 15 years and I believe this is the first time they finished above Spurs in that time. They are massively on the up, but they’ve been poor for years. The cycle continues. “It’s the unrealistic expectations of fans and owner who have had probably their longest prolonged spell in the higher echelons in their history and been unsatisfied for most of it.” Give your head a shake. It was fucking great. I’m really fucking disappointed we haven’t won a trophy in that time, but you’re just being stupid or pretending if you think that wasn’t a realistic expectation. The expectation is that we’re competent enough - and lucky enough - to maintain our position. The biggest issue is in the transitions - it always is. Villa fucked it up for years. Newcastle fucked it up for years. Man U fucked it up. Liverpool fucked it up for a bit. Arsenal got it right from Graham to Wenger, then fucked it up for a bit. Chelsea are fucking it up right now. We have been fucking it up. Just sooner or later, if you throw enough money at it and make good decisions and/or get lucky it will turn round. At least, for the big, glamorous, successful clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Thoughts on the latest appointment, @leffe186? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 44 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Thoughts on the latest appointment, @leffe186? Well speaking as someone born in Australia who grew up in Palmers Green North London (aka Palmers Greek) I’m chuffed . I’m trying not to care, but now I’m back in the community I haven’t really got a choice. Plus my Villa wife has suddenly got excited about football again for some strange reason. I’m always optimistic at heart. It’s definitely interesting. Like people say, could be a stroke of luck, could be a wasted year or two. I’m mainly happy we’ve actually got a manager again. And that we missed out on Europe tbh. Either way, now we’re back we’re planning on getting Orient season tickets and building an Akron Leyton Orientears fan club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Interesting appointment. I think he's what they need for the reasons many have said - he's grateful to have the job and won't behave like Mourinho and Conte, and they could do with a more positive playing style after those two. He needs a good start to get the doubters believing, but having no European football will be a massive help (as we know). Edited June 7, 2023 by ohmelads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 It’s a gamble but I don’t think Spurs have any choice but to gamble. The big names won’t risk their reputations and a ‘safe’ choice like Rodgers wouldn’t excite the supporters. I think the main problem is that it looks like a rebuilding job, and that often means taking one step back before moving forward. The media and many supporters have got their teeth into Levy and it won’t take much before ‘sack the board’ starts again. Spurs have been the most vulnerable of the big six, and it may be that the amount of money going into all the Premiership clubs is going to tweak the picture a bit. The likes of ourselves, Villa and Brighton look like potential challengers now. The guy will need a bit of luck and a good start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Anyone who thinks he's a Levy Yesman... forget it. Very much his own man and has rebuilt damaged clubs and made them successful everywhere he's gone. Really good at mobilising fans, uniting players and sidelining dysfunctional directors. Interesting times ahead for Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Hearts have gotten around Steven Naismith not having the necessary badges by naming him as 'Technical Director' as a work around with Frankie McAvoy given the official title of Head Coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Hearts have gotten around Steven Naismith not having the necessary badges by naming him as 'Technical Director' as a work around with Frankie McAvoy given the official title of Head Coach. We still doing that then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Didn't know it was a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 First sensible appointment Spurs have made since Pochettino imo. The sort of appointment/signing that eventually got them to a CL final. Unless they get new owners with bottomless pockets of money they have to gamble on unrealized potential. They did it so well from around the time Redknapp was appointed up until Pochettino got sacked where they slowly but surely managed to build that team by being able to replace their best players that got sold for massive fees with players that made their squad better over all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 06/06/2023 at 16:07, The Bonk said: If they won more with Kane & Son, I'd agree with you, but they didn't and now Arsenal are on the upward trajectory. I don't see Spurs growing their fanbase the way Arsenal probably did this year alone. Out of curiosity, what metrics do think think Spurs aren't far behind on? Mostly growth? Sustainability? I honestly think NUFC have more growth potential than Spurs, hence why Levy kicked up a fuss towards our sale. Revenue generated. Pull with players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Ferreyra Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) I can see this going the way of Nuno at Spurs. Sacked by November. Edited June 8, 2023 by Facundo Ferreyra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 I know nothing about the guy or Celtic/SPL but I feel it in my plums that this is going to work out. Even down to the idea of him not being a big name that will put pressure on Levy to spend, which obviously hasn't worked out too famously with a couple of big names now. Unless Levy goes in to full Ashley-style sabotage mode, it could end up an underrated punt. Scottish success doesn't count for much but that doesn't mean entirely overlooking them if they think he's got the skills to transfer in to a successful PL coach. A lot will obviously hinge on whether Kane stays or goes, ofc. Particularly what their expectations are for the coming season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Facundo Ferreyra said: I can see this going the way of Nuno at Spurs. Sacked by November. That's my gut instinct as well. Well maybe not November, but might be just the one season. Doesn't matter who the manager is, a lot of their success was built on Kane and Son. Kane probably won't be there next season, and Son looks to be in decline. How good is their squad really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 He could do pretty well with them but that might equate to 6th or 7th and I’m not sure that would be seen as a success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 12 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Didn't know it was a thing. It used to be, way back when they started those requirements clubs would find ways round it, if only temporarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Ange is a good manager, I think this is a really good appointment personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Unless ange can suddenly change things up and have sort of defensive system it won’t work. Can get away with that in Scotland but it’ll get blown away in the PL much like it has in Europe. think he’ll do fine until he doesn’t then he’ll be gone. Won’t pull up any trees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Im sure he’s smart enough to adapt to the different league, and he’s got better players. I think people massively undersell what he did with Celtic tbf. Spurs defensive football managed to lead to them conceding a fuck load of goals. They need someone who is not gonna sneer at the club like it’s some sort of chore to manage them imo. Naglesmann would have got killed with that team in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Remarkably, that bell end Danny Mills has been bigging up Carpethead's time at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Would Gerrard go to Celtic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Is Postecoglou a culture guy in a similar vein to Howe? One thing I noticed about Celtic this year in the little that I watched them is their collectiveness. Building a better culture at Spurs will do them wonders and the last time you saw that at Spurs was Poch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Ben said: Would Gerrard go to Celtic The question should be Would Celtic go for Gerrard and answer surely would be absolutely not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Too political to manage Rangers then Celtic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 5 hours ago, brummie said: Remarkably, that bell end Danny Mills has been bigging up Carpethead's time at Villa. He's genuinely got pig shit for brains, that cunt. A shit defender and a thug somehow managing to con his way into 'punditry' says all that needs to be said about propa Engerlish pundits who've been theya an dun it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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