The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[andyc35i]

Kane surely leaves now you have to think. No way this guy can keep him there. That’s not meant to be derogatory to Postecoglou because I rate his work, but how does this appointment persuade Kane his future is at Spurs

[wiseman]

32 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

This is tough for me because I have huge admiration for Ange, but detest Spurs as a club. I do think he can do a Howe like job with that squad. 

That's exactly how I feel, one of my favourite managers since he managed the roar, was some great seasons then. But I can't stand Spurs and never wish them to succeed.

[The College Dropout]

17 hours ago, The Bonk said:

 

Won't most sugar daddy's dump money into Arsenal if they're interested in a North London club? Kinda their (Spuds) problem and why that ceiling is lower than their rivals. They've done pretty decent with Kane and Son, but arguably should have won a trophy with them. 

There's not much reason why their ceiling should be any lower than Arsenal's. Arsenal are historically more successful - probably 3rd in England. But Spurs aren't far behind in any metric (except silverware).

[McCormick]

I think he’ll do well, and by well I mean getting them between 5th-7th place. They still have a very decent squad (with good youth prospects to come through) and no European distractions.

[Disco]

1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Could literally go either way with him. He could be out on his arse by November, or he could have them back in the top 6 which with no European football to contend with is possible. Either wouldn't be a surprise.

 

 

 

 

A genuinely interesting appointment. 

 

Just looked and I'm surprised that Norwegian fella is still at Bodo. Similar profile but doesn't seem to want to make the move/be trusted to do so.

[The College Dropout]

38 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Kane surely leaves now you have to think. No way this guy can keep him there. That’s not meant to be derogatory to Postecoglou because I rate his work, but how does this appointment persuade Kane his future is at Spurs

Daniel will decide whether Kane stays or goes. It's obvious but it's that simple.

[The College Dropout]

It's the most interesting appointment in some time for Spurs. No idea if it will work.

[Yorkie]

For those that know anything about him, is he willing to be subservient to Mr Levy and/or prepared to put up with intervention from above? Seems the only way to guarantee longevity at Spurs; who knows if it'll guarantee any form of success. 

 

As others have said, it feels like a no-lose for him, whereas it reeks of - at best - a punt or - at worst - desperation from Spurs. Mad how much they've fucked it since binning Poch.

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

For those that know anything about him, is he willing to be subservient to Mr Levy and/or prepared to put up with intervention from above? Seems the only way to guarantee longevity at Spurs; who knows if it'll guarantee any form of success. 

 

As others have said, it feels like a no-lose for him, whereas it reeks of - at best - a punt or - at worst - desperation from Spurs. Mad how much they've fucked it since binning Poch.

 

Do you think he'd have been given the job otherwise?

 

I'm not saying he's a patsy, but because he hasn't built his reputation at this level yet, he'll be far easier to control than a Conte or a Poch.

[Wolfcastle]

I cant see him achieving anything there that his predecessors didnt achieve to the disdain of their fans and ultimately the owner unless all concerned are accepting far lower expectations.

 

As a direct competitor, at least on paper, with a tendency to worry, this doesn't concern me at all but I'm not sure any appointment they could have made would. Its not the managers fault. Its the unrealistic expectations of fans and owner who have had probably their longest prolonged  spell in the higher echelons in their history and been unsatisfied for most of it.

[Ameritoon]

Will be doubting him simply because he's Australian and they call it soccer 

[The Bonk]

5 hours ago, GeordieDazzler said:

wasn’t saying one should go there just that their ambition is likely curtailed without one 

 

I know and I was agreeing with you because sugar daddy billionare's would probably see Arsenal as more of a sure thing for ROI. 

[The Bonk]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

There's not much reason why their ceiling should be any lower than Arsenal's. Arsenal are historically more successful - probably 3rd in England. But Spurs aren't far behind in any metric (except silverware).

 

If they won more with Kane & Son, I'd agree with you, but they didn't and now Arsenal are on the upward trajectory. I don't see Spurs growing their fanbase the way Arsenal probably did this year alone. 

 

Out of curiosity, what metrics do think think Spurs aren't far behind on? Mostly growth? Sustainability? I honestly think NUFC have more growth potential than Spurs, hence why Levy kicked up a fuss towards our sale. 

[FinnMag]

Chelsea’s and Spurs problems are not manager related.  No easy tasks ahead for  Postecoglou and Pochettino.  

[brummie]

Spurs' root problem is that they are so desperate to be seen as big, as glamorous, as successful, they'll make decisions which are largely based on what it makes other people think of them. They would never, ever have appointed Eddie Howe around the time you did, for example, for precisely that reason.

 

As a result, they employ the likes of Mourinho and Conte because they think, hey, that's what big clubs do, they employ people like that. Then they get linked with Nagelsmann because, hey, he's European and trendy, and that's what big clubs do, too.

 

When they do get a Conte, what happens? He realises it's basically a job where it keeps them happy because he's so swoony and Levy looks good to his mates, and the fans can act like they're part of some football aristocracy rather than a bunch of arriviste non-achievers, but they get treated like shit, because the manager doesn't give a fuck really, he knows they're lucky to have him. It's an imbalanced relationship.

 

So maybe this time the dynamic will be a bit different, and a tubby Australian from the Scottish league will treat them with a bit of respect back rather than what they got from Conte and Mourinho, which was basically to treat them like some fat granny they picked up down at Julie's on the Quayside at 2am* because, hey, at least it's a bit of leg-over, it's better than nothing.

 

But it probably don't, and Ryan Mason will be there again with his hopeless, comatose teenage stoner facial expression on MOTD most weeks by January or February.

 

 

* apologies, my Newcastle cultural references are decades out of date, but if you wanted to pick up a ropey granny in the late 1980s, Julies was the place to do it.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2023 by brummie

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

7 hours ago, Ameritoon said:

Will be doubting him simply because he's Australian and they call it soccer 

 

And they prefer eggs to actual balls. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

Been hearing rumours about Gerrard being strongly linked with the Leeds job. I really hope not for the sake of my best ex-RAF mates sanity. Surely they’ve suffered enough post Bielsa?

[Cronky]

10 hours ago, brummie said:

Spurs' root problem is that they are so desperate to be seen as big, as glamorous, as successful, they'll make decisions which are largely based on what it makes other people think of them. They would never, ever have appointed Eddie Howe around the time you did, for example, for precisely that reason.

 

As a result, they employ the likes of Mourinho and Conte because they think, hey, that's what big clubs do, they employ people like that. Then they get linked with Nagelsmann because, hey, he's European and trendy, and that's what big clubs do, too.

 

When they do get a Conte, what happens? He realises it's basically a job where it keeps them happy because he's so swoony and Levy looks good to his mates, and the fans can act like they're part of some football aristocracy rather than a bunch of arriviste non-achievers, but they get treated like shit, because the manager doesn't give a fuck really, he knows they're lucky to have him. It's an imbalanced relationship.

 

So maybe this time the dynamic will be a bit different, and a tubby Australian from the Scottish league will treat them with a bit of respect back rather than what they got from Conte and Mourinho, which was basically to treat them like some fat granny they picked up down at Julie's on the Quayside at 2am* because, hey, at least it's a bit of leg-over, it's better than nothing.

 

But it probably don't, and Ryan Mason will be there again with his hopeless, comatose teenage stoner facial expression on MOTD most weeks by January or February.

 

 

* apologies, my Newcastle cultural references are decades out of date, but if you wanted to pick up a ropey granny in the late 1980s, Julies was the place to do it.

 

 

 

 

Spurs are a big club though. All but one season in the top division since 1950, European football for the last 14 seasons, a huge modern stadium with 80,000 on the waiting list. They're getting squeezed out of the very best players by the others in the big six, and the investment in the stadium has diverted some funds no doubt, but their potential is as big as anyone's. There's been a gap between the quality of manager they've been able to attract and the players they've been able to sign, but as I say, they've had the stadium to consider. Arsenal had the same difficulty for quite a few seasons.

 

No trophies for a while now, but it's very difficult these days to even win one of the knockout cups. 

[Groundhog63]

11 hours ago, brummie said:

 

* apologies, my Newcastle cultural references are decades out of date, but if you wanted to pick up a ropey granny in the late 1980s, Julies was the place to do it.

 

 

 

Aherm........Greys Club

[gdm]

Warnock changed his mind and staying on at Huddersfield apparently 

[Stal]

13 hours ago, brummie said:

Spurs' root problem is that they are so desperate to be seen as big, as glamorous, as successful, they'll make decisions which are largely based on what it makes other people think of them. They would never, ever have appointed Eddie Howe around the time you did, for example, for precisely that reason.

 

As a result, they employ the likes of Mourinho and Conte because they think, hey, that's what big clubs do, they employ people like that. Then they get linked with Nagelsmann because, hey, he's European and trendy, and that's what big clubs do, too.

 

When they do get a Conte, what happens? He realises it's basically a job where it keeps them happy because he's so swoony and Levy looks good to his mates, and the fans can act like they're part of some football aristocracy rather than a bunch of arriviste non-achievers, but they get treated like shit, because the manager doesn't give a fuck really, he knows they're lucky to have him. It's an imbalanced relationship.

 

So maybe this time the dynamic will be a bit different, and a tubby Australian from the Scottish league will treat them with a bit of respect back rather than what they got from Conte and Mourinho, which was basically to treat them like some fat granny they picked up down at Julie's on the Quayside at 2am* because, hey, at least it's a bit of leg-over, it's better than nothing.

 

But it probably don't, and Ryan Mason will be there again with his hopeless, comatose teenage stoner facial expression on MOTD most weeks by January or February.

 

 

* apologies, my Newcastle cultural references are decades out of date, but if you wanted to pick up a ropey granny in the late 1980s, Julies was the place to do it.

 

 

 

 

This post is exactly it. I can't see what their problem is, they have a chairman who keeps them financial sound and they are hovering around mid to the top of the table so they should be grateful for that (yes, I'm doing shades of every tosser football fan who said similar about us and ashley).

 

As for the ropey granny, a cockney friend and colleague of mine used to tour up here and would describe them to be as "dorty antees".

 

[Interpolic]

I can see why Spurs fans are pissed off. They seemed on the cusp of something special a few years back and have ruined it with managerial appointments and signings that have left them looking a far worse side. Plus the football they play has been dreadful for ages. 

 

We know better than most that with results and style of play, you can forgive one being bad but not both. Especially for a prolonged period. 

[GeordieDazzler]

Bruce to Inter Miami? 

[Guest]

Just now, GeordieDazzler said:

Bruce to Inter Miami? 

 

Seriously.

[GeordieDazzler]

No but I’m trying to will it into existence