AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I still find it hard to get behind the idea of sacking Pardew just so we can then sack another couple of managers. Sad reflection on our situation I suppose. Sick of the sight/sound/nerve of him. Oh I know, at this point I would sack him just to stop the discussion on here. But I think there's something to my point. there's nothing to your point at all actually, one bloke said "if" we have to sack multiple managers to find the right one then so be it, not lets sack this twat so we can sack some others as well But the expectation is the same, that Ashley will hire another few useless managers after Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Those calling the shots at the club still have targets for Pardew. They wouldn't sign the likes of de Jong and Cabella if they expected survival and nothing more. Pardew will have been told to improve on last seasons position IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 "Let's keep Pardle in case the next manager doesn't work out" is all I'm seeing. I think the next man will make Pardew look semi-competent, but I still want him sacked asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Those calling the shots at the club still have targets for Pardew. They wouldn't sign the likes of de Jong and Cabella if they expected survival and nothing more. Pardew will have been told to improve on last seasons position IMO. I would like to believe this, but I don't see any reason to believe Ashley really cares where in the league we finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Why do some think it's so blatantly obvious he'd hire someone shit? The players we buy are not shit albeit they are not bought often enough so why would the manager be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think the new one would be a lot better tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 As usual he'll be banking on one of or a couple of the new signings to bail him out. If Cabella or De Jong does well and scores a couple of worldies then that'll help paper over some of the cracks. The core of defence is still weak as p*ss though and as yet we don't have a defined, reliable striker up front. Those two points seriously could work against him. I think he'll get away with it at the beginning of the season when the sun is out and people are less likely to kick up a fuss. But given he's just so fundamentally lacking in any managerial ability the team will gradually begin to struggle when the s*** weather arrives, the injuries start to come and we're being served up the same s*** week in week out. As Ian says above though I just don't think Ashley really gives two f***s where we finish in the league so it'll have to be really bad for him to act and even then it's hard to see. If there's still people in the stands and we're sitting in mid table then absolutely nowt will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Those calling the shots at the club still have targets for Pardew. They wouldn't sign the likes of de Jong and Cabella if they expected survival and nothing more. Pardew will have been told to improve on last seasons position IMO. I would like to believe this, but I don't see any reason to believe Ashley really cares where in the league we finish. Ashley might not care but Charnley or whoever is running the football side will. Why else plough the fees we've got for players back into the playing side, why not go for the bare minimum and look at cheaper players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I thought this "better the devil you know" shit was long gone? Have some people forgotten how truly awful the last 2 seasons were? Nearly getting relegated and then basically giving up for 1/2 a season? Fallen out with the most talented player we've had in quite some time, lies and spouts bollocks, and has no general self awareness of how inept he truly is? He deserved the sack last season, the season prior, and HELL, even after we finished 5th. He never should have been in this job from day 1. Beyond the point of giving him chances and all that shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 There's absolutely no point in sacking Pardew unless the idea is to get a proper manager in. If Ashley is considering Beardsley then what's the point? Might as well stick with the lickspittle we've got. Because he might be better? Stop playing dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Why do some think it's so blatantly obvious he'd hire someone s***? The players we buy are not s*** albeit they are not bought often enough so why would the manager be? Because a manager does not have sell-on value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Those calling the shots at the club still have targets for Pardew. They wouldn't sign the likes of de Jong and Cabella if they expected survival and nothing more. Pardew will have been told to improve on last seasons position IMO. I would like to believe this, but I don't see any reason to believe Ashley really cares where in the league we finish. Of course he cares Angry 20th 19th 18th Happy 17th-7th Displeased 6th 5th Conflicted 4th Out of his depth 3rd-1st Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 At the end of the day it's the long contract that keeps him here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 At the end of the day it's the long contract that keeps him here. Nah, I dont think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 At the end of the day it's the long contract that keeps him here. Nah, I dont think so. Money is the only thing that makes it difficult for the fat man to pull the trigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Why do some think it's so blatantly obvious he'd hire someone s***? The players we buy are not s*** albeit they are not bought often enough so why would the manager be? Because a manager does not have sell-on value. Porto and Villas Boas disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Timely... Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas Column up very shortly on Pardew under pressure from boardroom for the first time in his #nufc career. In meantime, two links for you... Edit: Here's the article: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/mark-douglas-alan-pardew-must-7580862 In a room on the the second floor of the Baltic on Newcastle’s Quayside, there is a small collection of books and pamphlets about the construction of the Angel of the North. In the middle of it is a big, glossy hardback book detailing the Angel’s troubled birth and eventual soaring triumph. Towards the back they have produced a collage of the media coverage of it and it’s fair to say it wasn’t especially positive. “Not in our back yard,” one headline in the Chronicle’s letters page read. There were others punning on the Angel’s not-so-heavenly intentions. Sometimes, however well-intentioned you might have been, you find yourself on the wrong side of history. As we hurtle into a new season, Alan Pardew will be hoping that one day we say the same about him. Pardew returns to St James’ Park on Sunday for the first time since that incredible day in May when he was forced to retreat into his own dugout to shield himself from the ferocious abuse that rained down from the stands. A new era begins with the visit of Real Sociedad but for Pardew, the same old questions still need to be answered. Forgiveness is relative and redemption will be hard-earned for a manager who found himself at the centre of a perfect storm at the end of last season. The atmosphere should be more optimistic this weekend and for Manchester City. Newcastle, potentially, look like a very good team and have fulfilled the post-season pledge to invest in a squad that would have taken them into a relegation squad if left alone. They look refreshed and re-invigorated by additions that are a credit to the work of Lee Charnley in his first transfer window as managing director. But for Pardew, the hard work starts now. It is not just on the terraces where he needs to reclaim credit. For the first time in his Newcastle tenure, Pardew finds himself under serious pressure to perform. This is not an idle sentence to write: he is under scrutiny in the corridors of power and he knows it. Ashley was generous to him last season but expects to see a return on his investment. It got too uncomfortable last season and that message has been relayed to him. Pardew has the players and he has been backed by the board. Now he needs to deliver a minimum return of eighth place – and a team that the North East public want to watch. Can he do it? His three most profitable spells as Newcastle manager came when he had his back against the wall: when he first got the job as an unpopular choice, after the clear-out of 2011 and last year, when his team bounced back from derby defeat to surge into the top five before Christmas. On all three occasions, Pardew’s teams were successful but functional. Yohan Cabaye delivered moments of divinity in 2011 and 2013 but mostly they were more efficient and effective than their rivals. There was a directness to their play. Now Pardew has more pace and purpose in his squad. The new arrivals are more liberated than team-mates bruised by the experiences of last season. The team should play with freedom, verve and dynamism. The days of Shola Ameobi as a Plan B (or indeed A) are over. The promotion of Rolando Aarons and Cabella hitting the ground running are major positives as pre-season gets serious. Pardew has not been forgiven but he has a period of grace. The fixture list has been kind and so have his transfer team. The stars have alligned for him and the easy mitigation of a difficult owner or a calamitous Director of Football cannot be relied on this time around. He needs to prove himself worthy of the job in more ways than one. This week, the players had two days off to help them rest limbs ahead of Real Sociedad so we can expect them to hit the ground running on Sunday and beyond. Pardew’s longest season starts here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I fully expect him to be sacked should we be in bother this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I fully expect him to be sacked should we be in bother this season. Oh sweet joy (if it happens) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 At the end of the day it's the long contract that keeps him here. Nah, I dont think so. Money is the only thing that makes it difficult for the fat man to pull the trigger. I don't think the king will be owed his contract if he's sacked though. they could have sacked him after his headbutt and not paid him a penny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Now he needs to deliver a minimum return of eighth place – and a team that the North East public want to watch. If that's even half true he's a dead man walking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 GTFI if true! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Now he needs to deliver a minimum return of eighth place – and a team that the North East public want to watch. If that's even half true he's a dead man walking. A team I want to watch has Hatem Ben Arfa in it. However, I live in Bristol so I'm not sure I count as North East public any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 In a room on the the second floor of the Baltic on Newcastle’s Quayside, there is a small collection of books and pamphlets about the construction of the Angel of the North. In the middle of it is a big, glossy hardback book detailing the Angel’s troubled birth and eventual soaring triumph. Towards the back they have produced a collage of the media coverage of it and it’s fair to say it wasn’t especially positive. “Not in our back yard,” one headline in the Chronicle’s letters page read. There were others punning on the Angel’s not-so-heavenly intentions. Sometimes, however well-intentioned you might have been, you find yourself on the wrong side of history. As we hurtle into a new season, Alan Pardew will be hoping that one day we say the same about him. Pardew returns to St James’ Park on Sunday for the first time since that incredible day in May when he was forced to retreat into his own dugout to shield himself from the ferocious abuse that rained down from the stands. A new era begins with the visit of Real Sociedad but for Pardew, the same old questions still need to be answered. Forgiveness is relative and redemption will be hard-earned for a manager who found himself at the centre of a perfect storm at the end of last season. The atmosphere should be more optimistic this weekend and for Manchester City. Newcastle, potentially, look like a very good team and have fulfilled the post-season pledge to invest in a squad that would have taken them into a relegation squad if left alone. They look refreshed and re-invigorated by additions that are a credit to the work of Lee Charnley in his first transfer window as managing director. But for Pardew, the hard work starts now. It is not just on the terraces where he needs to reclaim credit. For the first time in his Newcastle tenure, Pardew finds himself under serious pressure to perform. This is not an idle sentence to write: he is under scrutiny in the corridors of power and he knows it. Ashley was generous to him last season but expects to see a return on his investment. It got too uncomfortable last season and that message has been relayed to him. Pardew has the players and he has been backed by the board. Now he needs to deliver a minimum return of eighth place – and a team that the North East public want to watch. Can he do it? His three most profitable spells as Newcastle manager came when he had his back against the wall: when he first got the job as an unpopular choice, after the clear-out of 2011 and last year, when his team bounced back from derby defeat to surge into the top five before Christmas. On all three occasions, Pardew’s teams were successful but functional. Yohan Cabaye delivered moments of divinity in 2011 and 2013 but mostly they were more efficient and effective than their rivals. There was a directness to their play. Now Pardew has more pace and purpose in his squad. The new arrivals are more liberated than team-mates bruised by the experiences of last season. The team should play with freedom, verve and dynamism. The days of Shola Ameobi as a Plan B (or indeed A) are over. The promotion of Rolando Aarons and Cabella hitting the ground running are major positives as pre-season gets serious. Pardew has not been forgiven but he has a period of grace. The fixture list has been kind and so have his transfer team. The stars have alligned for him and the easy mitigation of a difficult owner or a calamitous Director of Football cannot be relied on this time around. He needs to prove himself worthy of the job in more ways than one. This week, the players had two days off to help them rest limbs ahead of Real Sociedad so we can expect them to hit the ground running on Sunday and beyond. Pardew’s longest season starts here. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/mark-douglas-alan-pardew-must-7580862? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Now he needs to deliver a minimum return of eighth place – and a team that the North East public want to watch. If that's even half true he's a dead man walking. I'm not sure. I don't see many teams outside the top 7 that are better than us. Our biggest rivals for 8th would be Stoke probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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