Alan '48 points' Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

On Ben Arfa, it's a mystery to me. Pardew has managed him reasonably well in the past, no idea why he's suddenly such a problem.

 

Not meaning to be a cunt like, but this sentence is pretty galling.

 

Strange choice of words. I don't actually have any input you know.

[midds]

Think it's fairly obvious that he's not go the first clue how to get the best out of Ben Arfa. He doesn't know where to play him, he doesn't trust him and he can't motivate him. To mask his own failings he's frozen the lad out and we'll end up selling him on for a pittance because the daft cunt is atrocious at his job.

 

All of that is pretty disgusting but the fact it's inevitably going to be spun as getting a rotten egg out when he moves on is beyond disgraceful. Good managers can deal with talented, possibly moody, players and get the best out of them. The wank managers sell them on because they're not good enough to do their job. Guess which category this slimy prick falls into.

[TRon]

Problem for Pardew is that he's burned his bridges with Ben Arfa and now looks like a mug every time he recalls him due to injuries or a bad set of results. You wouldn't blame him to put in a half arsed display if he's picked tomorrow, but I think he'll still give it a good go personally. He strikes me as a player who just likes to be on the ball making things happen. I would love to see him for once just given licence to pick the ball up and run at the opposition in their half without worrying about stopping their full back. We're going to lose anyway, might as well see some glimpses of HBA magic while we can.

[Robbo]

Think it's fairly obvious that he's not go the first clue how to get the best out of Ben Arfa. He doesn't know where to play him, he doesn't trust him and he can't motivate him. To mask his own failings he's frozen the lad out and we'll end up selling him on for a pittance because the daft c*** is atrocious at his job.

 

All of that is pretty disgusting but the fact it's inevitably going to be spun as getting a rotten egg out when he moves on is beyond disgraceful. Good managers can deal with talented, possibly moody, players and get the best out of them. The w*** managers sell them on because they're not good enough to do their job. Guess which category this slimy prick falls into.

 

 

[LucaAltieri]

Problem for Pardew is that he's burned his bridges with Ben Arfa and now looks like a mug every time he recalls him due to injuries or a bad set of results. You wouldn't blame him to put in a half arsed display if he's picked tomorrow, but I think he'll still give it a good go personally. He strikes me as a player who just likes to be on the ball making things happen. I would love to see him for once just given licence to pick the ball up and run at the opposition in their half without worrying about stopping their full back. We're going to lose anyway, might as well see some glimpses of HBA magic while we can.

 

That's largely my approach to it, too. With the kids I coach you always want to get them to try shit, even if it doesn't work out.

 

But I suppose my remit is to make them better players, not to win high stakes premier league matches.

[Interpolic]

Which high stakes Premier Lesgue matches have we been involved in since Christmas?

[ElDiablo]

Think it's fairly obvious that he's not go the first clue how to get the best out of Ben Arfa. He doesn't know where to play him, he doesn't trust him and he can't motivate him. To mask his own failings he's frozen the lad out and we'll end up selling him on for a pittance because the daft c*** is atrocious at his job.

 

All of that is pretty disgusting but the fact it's inevitably going to be spun as getting a rotten egg out when he moves on is beyond disgraceful. Good managers can deal with talented, possibly moody, players and get the best out of them. The w*** managers sell them on because they're not good enough to do their job. Guess which category this slimy prick falls into.

 

 

Agreed, he absolutely rapes him, there.

[Teasy]

There's a reason other clubs aren't kicking down our down trying to sign a player that Pardew obviously has issues with. That's enough for me to assume that maybe Pardew isn't just being a complete moron over HBA.

 

You could make assumptions based on past attitude problems or the fact we haven't had a big transfer bid for Ben Arfa or you could trust your own eyes and judgment on the player.  Personally I'd go for the second option.  Because frankly the first point has no baring on the fact that the lad creates chances on the pitch and the second isn't surprising considering he's played so sporadically and only has a year left on his contract.  Its obvious why Pardew isn't playing him, its reflected in every aspect of his management.  His idea of Football is hard work and grinding out results, get ahead and desperately defend, he's a coward who accepts no responsibility for failure, surely nobody can doubt this after 4 years of watching the fucker?  If his one dimensional game plan fails he's got Ben Arfa to try to dig him out of the shit, and if he doesn't he's also got a scapegoat.

[Hanshithispantz]

People trusting Pardew's judgement

 

The daft cunt didn't even think he was a winger man, he's clueless.

 

 

[Ryan_Taylor]

It's a fucking travesty we're waisting a talent like Hatem with a cunt like Pardew

[Spider Jerusalem]

Personally, I don't give a fuck how many tackles Ben Arfa makes, how much he tracks back or runs around like a headless chicken.

 

He should be receiving the ball in an advanced position and hurting the oposition.  That's it.  That's the one job he should be doing.  Unfortunately we have a retard in charge who see's nothing but having 'a tackle' on the field and rates his players by the amount of 'effort' they put in.  He'd have had Messi playing as an auxilliary full back if he was in his squad.

[ExiledGeordie]

Pardew's a f***ing incapable, cliche ridden arsehole who hasn't got a clue how to manage anyone with talent let alone set a team up.

 

Almost boring myself typing this comment about him, almost completely devoid of interest in the subject thesedays. I lost patience now I've almost lost care. Utterly atrocious manager, a puppet yes man and w***** to boot.

[Mick]

 

 

Pardew - like most modern, successful managers - likes to defend from the front. Our attacking players have defensive responsibilities forcing errors and limiting the opposition's time on the ball. For all he looks great with the ball at his feet, we have players who are stronger when it comes to hassling the opposition. That's part of why Ba was such a success here and why Shola's continued inclusion is baffling.

 

Again, not saying HBA wouldn't be in my team. Just saying that him not playing every week isn't as criminal as some seem to believe. There are some games I'd want him nowhere near the pitch. Any tight games, like the games against the mackems, for example. He played both and offered nowt of note.

 

WTF?

[Robster]

Isn't Luca just a massive WUM ?

[Mick]

Isn't Luca just a massive WUM ?

 

A massive WUM or mentally challenged, one of the two.

[tmonkey]

You're ignoring his track record at West Ham with Mascherano and Tevez then? I'm sure there are convenient excuses for that too that he's trotted out which people will buy into. Those two players kept them  up once this fool was sacked.

 

Tevez was definitely a player he should have been playing.

 

But even at Liverpool it took Mascherano quite a while before he looked like a Premier League player. He was right to use him sparingly.

 

Mascherano had an excellent debut at Liverpool. First game he looked fantastic. IIRC 10 minutes in he made a world class tackle and instantly you knew the guy was good.

 

As for Tevez, he looked good nearly immediately under Curbishly and was a one man army within a couple of months. Given that he was on the bench under Pardew but immediately in the team under Curbishley you have to question Pardew's judgement here. You can argue all you want that maybe Tevez (and Mascherano) needed the time to settle, it's impossible to know, but it's still scandalous that Pardew stuck with Harewood and Mullins over two genuine world class talent and had Mascherano in particular playing with the reserves.

[tmonkey]

From Mascherano's wikipedia (quotes are sourced but I remember the general view on him at the time anyway):

 

Mascherano made his debut for Liverpool against Sheffield United on 24 February 2007,[24] and was praised by the Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez and team captain Steven Gerrard after Liverpool's 4–0 victory. After playing in a match against Arsenal on 31 March, Benítez called Mascherano a "monster of a player".[25] Similarly, his teammates were impressed by his talent; Xabi Alonso noted how mature a player he was for his age, saying: "He has a cool mind on the pitch. He is analysing and thinking about the game in each moment."[6]

 

Honestly, saying "at Liverpool it took Mascherano quite a while before he looked like a Premier League player" is just making things up. Question then has to be 'why?'.

[DJ_NUFC]

Luca just got raped there

 

Thanks tmonkey, I actually bought Luca's lie about Masch, as I was too lazy to look that up myself.

 

And once again we see how bullshit sticks.

 

 

[Varadi]

This place is savage if anyone dares suggest Pardew is anything other than 100% evil

 

[Leazes1986]

I think the crowd will turn today if we take a good beating (which I am expecting). Be prepared for the backlash from the national press/media tomorrow though if it does happen. How dare we call for the man who has done a great job with his hands tied, has us 8th with no relegation threat etc to be sacked, what do we expect. They have no idea.

[Dave]

Isn't Luca just a massive WUM ?

 

A massive WUM or mentally challenged, one of the two.

 

Bit strong, it is possible to disagree.

[loki679]

The guy played Marlon Harewood and left Carlos Tevez on the bench.  One played for such illustrious clubs as Barnsley, Blackpool and Bristol City while the other had to make do scraping a career at the likes of Corinthians, Manchester United, Manchester City and Juventus (not to mention being capped by that well known international minnow Argentina).

 

Hayden Mullins, FA cup runner up, was preferred in midfield to Champions League, La Liga, Copa del Rey, Primera Division, Campeonato, Supercopa de España, Uefa Super Cup and Fifa Club World cup winner Javier Mascherano.

 

It's gonna make you look a little mental if you try and somehow justify that.

[nufc4eva]

We have lost by 3 goals or more in 5 games since xmas. That tells me everything I need to know about our disciplined players and manager. I don't think Ben Arfa is a world beater but he is a better option than gouff or sissoko on the wing.

 

Pardew wants us to be solid and prevent other teams scoring without considering how we are gonna score, he is scared of creativity.

 

Look at every time the opposition get a corner or free kick in our half. Every man back in the box rather than a player on half way taking 2-3 of their players out the game. He is a Fucking coward man, he brought Ben arfa off at 1-0 last week and we lost 4-0 so don't tell me we need disciplined players. Gouffran was awful as were most of our team, yet Pardew decides Ben arfa is being too creative and lose by more goals anyway.

 

Fact is Pardew is a shit coach, shit manager and a cunt of a person. He has no redeemable qualities

[Hanshithispantz]

The guy played Marlon Harewood and left Carlos Tevez on the bench.  One played for such illustrious clubs as Barnsley, Blackpool and Bristol City while the other had to make do scraping a career at the likes of Corinthians, Manchester United, Manchester City and Juventus (not to mention being capped by that well known international minnow Argentina).

 

Hayden Mullins, FA cup runner up, was preferred in midfield to Champions League, La Liga, Copa del Rey, Primera Division, Campeonato, Supercopa de España, Uefa Super Cup and Fifa Club World cup winner Javier Mascherano.

 

It's gonna make you look a little mental if you try and somehow justify that.

We're talking 2006-2007 Harewood and Mullins here though, any footballing man will tell you that season isn't a reflection of their careers as a whole, both were in undroppable form, world class they were.

[loki679]

We have lost by 3 goals or more in 5 games since xmas. That tells me everything I need to know about our disciplined players and manager. I don't think Ben Arfa is a world beater but he is a better option than gouff or sissoko on the wing.

 

Pardew wants us to be solid and prevent other teams scoring without considering how we are gonna score, he is scared of creativity.

 

Look at every time the opposition get a corner or free kick in our half. Every man back in the box rather than a player on half way taking 2-3 of their players out the game. He is a Fucking coward man, he brought Ben arfa off at 1-0 last week and we lost 4-0 so don't tell me we need disciplined players. Gouffran was awful as were most of our team, yet Pardew decides Ben arfa is being too creative and lose by more goals anyway.

 

Fact is Pardew is a shit coach, shit manager and a cunt of a person. He has no redeemable qualities

 

He's retarded.  He still hasn't worked out that the more you invite the opposition onto you the more pressure you will be under.  Using attacking players to limit the opposition in terms of how many players they can commit forward is alien to him, he just doesn't understand the concept.  Instead of chopping the balls off our attack to try and deal with the opposition's full backs getting forward we could just make sure the opposition full backs can't get forward because they're shit scared of someone like HBA being free with the ball behind them.

 

It's like a knight ditching his sword and opting for two shields instead, he's just asking to be beat on.