Belfast Mags Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. Indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Because he's failed to convince Spurs to make his appointment permanent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Seems Moyes Everton tenure was pretty much exactly what Ashley is looking for. Long term top 10 finishes with not much spend and no trophies. Bliss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Because he's failed to convince Spurs to make his appointment permanent. His appointment is permanent, has a contract for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Other than the gilet? Point deductions for that and the salute, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. Indeed McLeish & Souness won domestic trophies, Keegan didn't. Shite argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Because he's failed to convince Spurs to make his appointment permanent. His appointment is permanent, has a contract for next season. On the other hand, he's definitely just about to be sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes had 10 or so successful years at Everton, man. Is that right? So what were his successful achievements as the Everton manager? Ah howay man, wait for Ronaldo to log on again. Everton went about 5 transfer windows without spending any money whatsoever and he still had them top-6. And he actually appeared to have some involvement in signing the players and developing them. Players like Cahill, Arteta, Piennar, Baines, Fellaini etc. It's incredible how much people have forgotten in less than 12 months, aye Moyes didn't seem the natural choice for Man Utd at the time but most felt he was deserving of a shot at it, due to the excellent job he'd done at Everton. The only reason I wouldn't necessarily want Moyes here is Hatem Ben Arfa, and Neil's accounts on how Moyes isn't the biggest fan of flair. But since that ship has most likely sailed already, why the hell not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Funny how Moyes is the proven one when its Martinez with the trophy to his name. In the context of building a good Premier League side, there's only one proven one. Alex McLeish won a trophy, is he more proven than Moyes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Moyes had 10 or so successful years at Everton, man. Is that right? So what were his successful achievements as the Everton manager? Ah howay man, wait for Ronaldo to log on again. Everton went about 5 transfer windows without spending any money whatsoever and he still had them top-6. And he actually appeared to have some involvement in signing the players and developing them. Players like Cahill, Arteta, Piennar, Baines, Fellaini etc. It's incredible how much people have forgotten in less than 12 months, aye Moyes didn't seem the natural choice for Man Utd at the time but most felt he was deserving of a shot at it, due to the excellent job he'd done at Everton. The only reason I wouldn't necessarily want Moyes here is Hatem Ben Arfa, and Neil's accounts on how Moyes isn't the biggest fan of flair. But since that ship has most likely sailed already, why the hell not. One thing I do know is I certainly don't think he would be ostracised to the extent he is now, nowhere near. Makes absolutely no sense and it isn't to anyone's benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Because he's failed to convince Spurs to make his appointment permanent. They're only 7 points off 4th so to say he has failed is blatant exaggeration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Haven't heard Moyes blame every defeat on Kagawa this season. That kind of treatment for Hatem would do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 One thing I do know is I certainly don't think he would be ostracised to the extent he is now, nowhere near. Makes absolutely no sense and it isn't to anyone's benefit. Of course it is, he's been used as a scapegoat for Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 My early memories of Everton in the Premier League were them hovering around the relegation spots and nearly going down in some cases btw, I know historically they've been a far bigger club than that but Moyes cut short a significant slide and built them into consistent top-6 side for the best part of a decade, with fuck-all money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I remember one of Walter Smith's last games being a shocking dry hump at Boro in the cup. They were abysmal and heading for relegation. Moyes transformed the whole club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 My early memories of Everton in the Premier League were them hovering around the relegation spots and nearly going down in some cases btw, I know historically they've been a far bigger club than that but Moyes cut short a significant slide and built them into consistent top-6 side for the best part of a decade, with fuck-all money. Which sounds very much like us right now. If we somehow get our hands on him, I hope he still has the hunger to do it all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 tmonkey nailed it tbh. Moyes wouldn't touch a club with our transfer policy. He did very much change his style of play between the beginning and end of his Everton career, but changed it on the extremely solid base he'd built himself. It's a very interesting question of can he repeat that at another club, and how would he need to go about it? It's a complete myth that he had nowt to spend for most of his tenure mind. The numbers say otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I remember one of Walter Smith's last games being a shocking dry hump at Boro in the cup. They were abysmal and heading for relegation. Moyes transformed the whole club. Moyes joined them in March 2002 and they ended up finishing 15th that year, the seasons prior to that they finished: 00/01 - 16th 99/00 - 13th 98/99 - 14th 97/98 - 17th 96/97 - 15th 95/96 - 6th 94/95 - 15th (out of 22) 93/94 - 17th (out of 22) 92/93 - 13th (out of 22) Almost a decade of mostly struggling against relegation followed by almost a decade of mainly top-6 finishes. He did an amazing job there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 tmonkey nailed it tbh. Moyes wouldn't touch a club with our transfer policy. He did very much change his style of play between the beginning and end of his Everton career, but changed it on the extremely solid base he'd built himself. It's a very interesting question of can he repeat that, and how? It's a complete myth that he had nowt to spend for most of his tenure mind. The numbers say otherwise. Which numbers? I know he spent canny fairly big on a few players but there were some big incoming fees and long stretches where they signed nobody at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We don't have him on speed dial guys he's not coming here ffs. AP will ride this blip out as sure as eggs are eggs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'd like Moyes. They guy had Everton competing to get into Europe pretty much every season, he made Goodison park a fortress, somewhere where you had to battle hard if you were to get a point, rarely did his teams just surrender, Fair enough his derby record wasn't great (but can you expect it to be when your derby rivals are Liverpool?) but Everton gave Liverpool a fight and players were not allowed to go and hide. Under Moyes I have seen games where Everton have just taken the other team apart, and I have seen games where they have had to play ugly football and battle hard. If Moyes could bring that here then there is no doubt in my mind that he would take us up to the next level (challenging for Europe, eventually challenging for the top 4), it may take another manager to take us up to the next level after that but we need to take those first steps first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 tmonkey nailed it tbh. Moyes wouldn't touch a club with our transfer policy. He did very much change his style of play between the beginning and end of his Everton career, but changed it on the extremely solid base he'd built himself. It's a very interesting question of can he repeat that, and how? It's a complete myth that he had nowt to spend for most of his tenure mind. The numbers say otherwise. Which numbers? I know he spent canny fairly big on a few players but there were some big incoming fees and long stretches where they signed nobody at all. Total expenditure was ~£177m. There was some big money came in but it was always reinvested with more on top until the last year or two. They regularly shelled out upwards of £20m a season in the mid 2000s. Re: the long stretches, they only spent £1.5m in the summer of 10/11 but every other summer under Moyes they spent at least £6m+ and usually more than £10m. In fairness at the time it probably didn't feel like they were spending a lot compared to what they were getting from his management and what others were spending. From the perspective of a Newcastle fan in 2014, Everton's numbers between 2002-2010 look like Man City gone mad. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/everton-fc/transferbilanz/verein_29.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 i reckon moyes could work with what we've got here at the moment as long as he was able to add a few in the summer to fit his style a little more, a big mobile striker for example, couple of hard-working wingers, and a leader at the back to play with mym i think he'd use mym & anita much better right off the bat, especially anita as i think he'd go with a competitive midfield 3 from the off, he'd get tiote doing what he should be doing and nothing else and he'd solidify the defence very quickly main thing is what he'd do with hba i suppose as stated i'd prefer someone else but i'd be happy with him replacing pardew, very fucking happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I would be DELIGHTED if we got Moyes because he is a significant improvement on Pardew - then again, William Hague would be a significant improvement on Pardew...! However, as I said in the Sack Race thread, Moyes fails Ashley's requirements as a manager because he; a) hasn't been fired enough times and b) He will be financially independent after his pay-off so not an Ashley puppet. The fact that he hasn't won a trophy will go in his favour, though..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtained Wasp Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 More to the point, why is Sherwood a failure? Other than the gilet? Probably the best the man could get tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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