Manchester United

[midds]

His big mistake was steadfastly refusing to even contemplate changing his formation he's brought across with him. On the one hand you've got to admire his determination to make the system stick but at what cost? That shower of shit seem totally incapable of making it work, it looks fucking rank the vast majority of the time but he can't/won't change it. It's failing week after week and he's just watching it happen. He's running the risk of getting sacked before the squad clicks into shape and they eventually learn how to play it. He doesn't seem like a bad bloke but it all looks doomed at this point 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, midds said:

His big mistake was steadfastly refusing to even contemplate changing his formation he's brought across with him. On the one hand you've got to admire his determination to make the system stick but at what cost? That shower of shit seem totally incapable of making it work, it looks fucking rank the vast majority of the time but he can't/won't change it. It's failing week after week and he's just watching it happen. He's running the risk of getting sacked before the squad clicks into shape and they eventually learn how to play it. He doesn't seem like a bad bloke but it all looks doomed at this point 

As I often say, Rich people have no jeopardy. Ruben wins either way, by taking the job he's set himself up for life. 

 

It's often commented he didn't want to take the job until the summer yet he took it anyway. 

[Cf]

He'll get a nice hefty payout from it all least.

 

We often say managers who take this type of poisoned chalice job can come out of it with their reputation relatively unscathed but I'm not sure that's the case here. He struggles to get another top job until he shows himself working elsewhere and with more flexibility than he has shown here.

[Tiresias]

I do feel for him, think this move has come too soon. What makes it worse was Amorim initially said as much when they recruited him, he asked to finish season in Lisbon and join in summer so he had time to prep. When they insisted immediate he should have turned them down. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

I do feel for him, think this move has come too soon. What makes it worse was Amorim initially said as much when they recruited him, he asked to finish season in Lisbon and join in summer so he had time to prep. When they insisted immediate he should have turned them down. 

 

I understand this view, but at the minute he's not going to come under much pressure from fans as we mostly understand that he's walked into a complete shitshow. What's happening now is what could and maybe should have happened in previous seasons.

 

He basically has had an extra 5/6 months for prep and will get a full preseason. I understand why the board wanted him to come in now. 

[Sibierski]

20 minutes ago, midds said:

His big mistake was steadfastly refusing to even contemplate changing his formation he's brought across with him. On the one hand you've got to admire his determination to make the system stick but at what cost? That shower of shit seem totally incapable of making it work, it looks fucking rank the vast majority of the time but he can't/won't change it. It's failing week after week and he's just watching it happen. He's running the risk of getting sacked before the squad clicks into shape and they eventually learn how to play it. He doesn't seem like a bad bloke but it all looks doomed at this point 

 

I don't think it's even the players learning it. For me, they're doing what's being asked and it's showing how poor a system it is. Doesn't matter if you replaced Casemiro with Ugarte yesterday, or even had the best CDM in the world, when they're on their own because Fernandes is being asked to go far right, teams will exploit it. Wing backs are then easily pinned back because every side in this league will have wingers that are capable of exploiting the space, so it's then three attackers often isolated up top.

 

The attackers are probably the one area I can give some credence that it's the players, because Hojlund is regularly shit at most things to do with football, Zirkzee as wonderful his touches are, moves like Casemiro and then it's a clearly out of form Garnacho. Better attackers, they score yesterday and win, but it completely masks the fundamentals that are broken. Something that was obvious under ETH for like 12+ months to the majority.

 

People in media will fall over themselves by blaming the players, manager needs backing etc. rather than actually argue the fundamentals are wrong. There's been no upturn in performances after like 20 games which you'd really start to expect by now. He needs a good final 25% of season, otherwise I do believe Ratcliffe will want some heads to roll if there's no Europe.

 

Guy took over with them 4 points of 3rd, and I highly doubt it was with a remit of "This season can be write off, don't worry if you don't get Europe, it's all good".

[CPL]

1 hour ago, La Parka said:

Feel bad for him tbh. 

 

I've moved jobs a couple of times before and known within a couple of days it was a terrible mistake. 

 

New country, culture, style of football and pressure on top of that?

 

Brutal. 

I'm sure the large wages and hefty pay out will make him feel better. 

[La Parka]

True but his reputation is going to tank horrifically 

[The Fountain]

4 hours ago, Cf said:

He'll get a nice hefty payout from it all least.

 

We often say managers who take this type of poisoned chalice job can come out of it with their reputation relatively unscathed but I'm not sure that's the case here. He struggles to get another top job until he shows himself working elsewhere and with more flexibility than he has shown here.

Plus he'll walk back into a job in Portugal 

[The Fountain]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

I understand this view, but at the minute he's not going to come under much pressure from fans as we mostly understand that he's walked into a complete shitshow. What's happening now is what could and maybe should have happened in previous seasons.

 

He basically has had an extra 5/6 months for prep and will get a full preseason. I understand why the board wanted him to come in now. 

What position in the league would be seen a a minimum next February

As an outsider I'd say 8th or lower wouldn't be good enough.

[Zero]

4 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

I understand this view, but at the minute he's not going to come under much pressure from fans as we mostly understand that he's walked into a complete shitshow. What's happening now is what could and maybe should have happened in previous seasons.

 

He basically has had an extra 5/6 months for prep and will get a full preseason. I understand why the board wanted him to come in now. 

that’s a very big if to me. I mean, the board really tolerate this messy displays and not firing him, is a very big IF imo.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, The Fountain said:

What position in the league would be seen a a minimum next February

As an outsider I'd say 8th or lower wouldn't be good enough.

 

I would agree. By next February, he'll have been in the job 15 months and will have had three windows and a full preseason to implement his ideas.

 

How much patience the fans will have depends on how well he's backed in the summer and how the team is performing. The players he has are better than 15th.

[Dokko]

Impossible job.

[lovejoy]

Amorim wants out imo.

 

He seems a decent bloke , but if I was a fan I’d be alarmed at how shit they are. In terms of ‘it’ll

get better when he’s had a pre season’, there’s not a lot to support that theory at present.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 19:07 by lovejoy

[Cristov]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

Impossible job.

 

 

[TBG]

The Glazers. Antony. Ten Hag.

 

Starting to think the fans are the issue.

[Dokko]

17 minutes ago, TBG said:

The Glazers. Antony. Ten Hag.

 

Starting to think the fans are the issue.

 

Have you met Froggy?

[Fak]

Agreed re. the fans. Froggy is a traitor. 

[PauloGeordio]

 

[Lush Vlad]

He'll be back at Sporting by the end of 2025. 

[Cronky]

What would alarm me most if I was a Man U fan would be the regular stream of negative messages that he keeps giving out. 'Everything is going wrong' is the latest. How is he going to motivate his players, or indeed himself, if he's publicly wallowing in misery? You might say he's being honest, but they do have a few decent players, and that can't be the way to bring out the best in them. 

 

I would also worry that the younger players like Garnacho and Mainoo - good players both - may be suffering the most.

 

I know I go on about him, but Eddie inherited a far worse situation, but right from the start, and in so many ways, he was telling the players how good they were. 

[Ben]

1 hour ago, Cronky said:

What would alarm me most if I was a Man U fan would be the regular stream of negative messages that he keeps giving out. 'Everything is going wrong' is the latest. How is he going to motivate his players, or indeed himself, if he's publicly wallowing in misery? You might say he's being honest, but they do have a few decent players, and that can't be the way to bring out the best in them. 

 

I would also worry that the younger players like Garnacho and Mainoo - good players both - may be suffering the most.

 

I know I go on about him, but Eddie inherited a far worse situation, but right from the start, and in so many ways, he was telling the players how good they were. 

 

Sir Bobby was the same and he won 8-0 in his first game

[Hovagod]

5 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Sir Bobby was the same and he won 8-0 in his first game

Second. 

[JP]

All well and good to keep saying he needs his own window/pre season to implement his system but the pressure is going to be 10fold on him now.

 

He simply HAS TO produce from the get-go next season as this season has become a write off in results alone, even if he hasn't verbalised it.

 

[Shak]

Does look like forcing him to join mid season might have backfired on them.

 

The theory is sound, get him in and see which of the current squad he fancies and make sure they can hit the ground running next season in terms of understanding the new system he's bringing with him. Write this season off as a bedding in period.

 

At some point though surely the shite they've been serving up is going to make the current players wonder if maybe this lad doesn't really know what he's doing. Once the players start to lose faith, it's a long road back. I know there will be a lot of changes to the squad but it'll still be a lot of the same players in there next season. You really don't want a situation where you're giving a massive transfer fund to someone who's on a hiding to nothing.

 

Interesting decisions coming up for them, hopefully they make the wrong one