Manchester United

[Froggy]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

He’s the one.  That’s it. Ole’s team had 4. 

 

I honestly don't think it did if we're talking about this current Newcastle team. Ole knew how to set up to play perfect counter attacking football, but if you took any of those players and asked them to play a high intensity style like Howe's they'd fall apart. 

[gbandit]

Would you say you’re in “wait and see mode” with Amorim @Froggy? Or do you feel confident he’ll get there with Man U if backed? It’s hard to imagine many fans would have expected results to be this bad under him, even accounting for all the shit that comes with Man U behind the scenes

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, Checko said:

Thought Zirkzee showed some really nice touches, shame he got injured. That 1,2,3,4 with grumpy Bruno was liquid football.

 

That said, it feels like there's kind of a Berbatovy languidness about him & from the little I've seen I reckon he might need a nippy, aggressive hardworker around him to get the most out of him. A Rooney or Bellamy type.

I like Zirkzee.  But he’s a poor man’s Berbatov. Think he struggles to start for half the division.  
 

He would start for Fulham. Bench at Palace.  Is he better than Evanilson? Obviously he’s much younger with room to improve but I’d take Welbeck over him. A fully fit Welbeck is a nightmare for teams.  Bench at Villa.  Would suit Chelsea tbf but also sit on the bench. Is he better than Strand Larson? Would be handy at Brentford imo but I prefer Wissa

 

 

Hes better than the £60m guy they have though. 

[buzza]

A decent manager should be able to adapt to the players he has, not the players having to adapt to him. Once he has a pre-season and a couple of his own players there really should be zeto excuses 

I still laugh at the thought that a supposed world class manager is incapable of motivating and improving any group of players... Makes you believe he is no where near as good as they say.

Do you think Pep or Eddie wouldn't be able to improve the Manu team? My thoughts exactly!

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I honestly don't think it did if we're talking about this current Newcastle team. Ole knew how to set up to play perfect counter attacking football, but if you took any of those players and asked them to play a high intensity style like Howe's they'd fall apart. 

I’m just talking ability. Players capable of magic or top draw ability.  Other than Fernandes you’re then looking at Diallo, Garnacho, Mainoo, Zirkzee. I like all of these and you would hope the first 2 can go up the levels. Defensively it’s similar. None of the CBs are better than prime Maguire.  All the fullbacks are solid, none special. 

[Hanshithispantz]

The back heel from Zirkzee was ridiculous like. Silky smooth.

 

Some Spanish/Italian team should grab him while his price is rock bottom.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, buzza said:

A decent manager should be able to adapt to the players he has, not the players having to adapt to him. Once he has a pre-season and a couple of his own players there really should be zeto excuses 

I still laugh at the thought that a supposed world class manager is incapable of motivating and improving any group of players... Makes you believe he is no where near as good as they say.

Do you think Pep or Eddie wouldn't be able to improve the Manu team? My thoughts exactly!

Pep would struggle tbf. His technical floor for players is so high.  Not struggle as bad as that tbf. 

[The College Dropout]

I’d take Zirkzee for £20m if he could work harder off the ball. 

[Froggy]

13 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Would you say you’re in “wait and see mode” with Amorim @Froggy? Or do you feel confident he’ll get there with Man U if backed? It’s hard to imagine many fans would have expected results to be this bad under him, even accounting for all the shit that comes with Man U behind the scenes

 

I haven't heard anyone doubt him apart from faceless fans on the internet. Things have been improving slowly. Goals are a huge issue, and a striker in the summer is paramount, but we've become much harder to beat.

 

Obviously that seems laughable given what happened at the weekend.  But you're better than us in almost every position and were hungry in a game that was meaningless for us. I'd be expecting a totally different performance on Thursday. If we showed up and performed like that on Thursday the hope I have for the future would take a huge hit.

 

 

Edited Monday at 13:09 by Froggy

[Nucasol]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’d take Zirkzee for £20m if he could work harder off the ball. 

Sent to fat camp by Eddie for a summer. 

[Froggy]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’d take Zirkzee for £20m if he could work harder off the ball. 

 

He genuinely has been. Fans have been very pleased with Zirkzee's effort since the last game against Newcastle and it's annoying he got injured as he's the only other player along with Bruno that is capable of unlocking a defence. 

 

We paid £29m split over 3 years for him. Potentially a very good deal, and at this moment in time and infinitely better deal than Hojlund's.

[WilliamPS]

The manager has hung his players out to dry this season, it’s totally indefensible and explains why the players have so little fight in them. The playing out from the back reminds me of battering Brighton two years ago - if you try that tactic at SJP you better be good at it!
 

Overall I’m pleased as it shows a total lack of flexibility that probably can’t be fixed, even if he gets his own players in they won’t be able to adjust to different challenges. One of Howes great strengths is his ability to adapt to each game and opponent. 

[Gaztoon]

3 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

The manager has hung his players out to dry this season, it’s totally indefensible and explains why the players have so little fight in them. The playing out from the back reminds me of battering Brighton two years ago - if you try that tactic at SJP you better be good at it!
 

Overall I’m pleased as it shows a total lack of flexibility that probably can’t be fixed, even if he gets his own players in they won’t be able to adjust to different challenges. One of Howes great strengths is his ability to adapt to each game and opponent. 

 

These players have hung a few managers tbf.

 

 

Edited Monday at 13:20 by Gaztoon

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

The manager has hung his players out to dry this season, it’s totally indefensible and explains why the players have so little fight in them.

 

I've seen this on here a few times and yet to see it myself. He says we're shit when we're shit. I like that.

 

When we were shit and Ten Hag said we weren't shit, people had plenty to say about that also. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

He genuinely has been. Fans have been very pleased with Zirkzee's effort since the last game against Newcastle and it's annoying he got injured as he's the only other player along with Bruno that is capable of unlocking a defence. 

 

We paid £29m split over 3 years for him. Potentially a very good deal, and at this moment in time and infinitely better deal than Hojlund's.

The fee is about right considering he has room for improvement age wise. 
 

Do you think he’s better than a prime Welbeck? Different styles but similar in a weird way. Neither will score lots of goals but can bring lots to a team - they just do it in different ways.  
 

I would take Welbeck here for free.  

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Sent to fat camp by Eddie for a summer. 

Too slow in the press right?

 

This is why I’d take Welbeck.  20-30 minutes off the bench.  Pressing Machine.  Hold up and link up play.  

[Froggy]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

The fee is about right considering he has room for improvement age wise. 
 

Do you think he’s better than a prime Welbeck? Different styles but similar in a weird way. Neither will score lots of goals but can bring lots to a team - they just do it in different ways.  
 

I would take Welbeck here for free.  

 

Good comparison to be fair. He's tidier with the ball at his feet and more creative but not as good in front of goal and significantly weaker. 

 

The physicality of the side is something else that needs addressed. 

[WilliamPS]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

I've seen this on here a few times and yet to see it myself. He says we're shit when we're shit. I like that.

 

When we were shit and Ten Hag said we weren't shit, people had plenty to say about that also. 

Amorim told his players to play out from the back against one of the most aggressive pressing sides in the league, it directly led to two goals. It’s pisspoor tactics, what did he think was going to happen? You can see it in the number of turnovers won in Man Utds half. It’s inept management and then it’s blamed on the players performances - that’s hanging them out to dry. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, WilliamPS said:

Amorim told his players to play out from the back against one of the most aggressive pressing sides in the league, it directly led to two goals. It’s pisspoor tactics, what did he think was going to happen? You can see it in the number of turnovers won in Man Utds half. It’s inept management and then it’s blamed on the players performances - that’s hanging them out to dry. 

 

Actually he specifically asked Bayinidir to go long from early on and gave off to Ugarte for constantly asking for the short pass. 

[Kid Icarus]

I was lead to believe Ugarte is really good though?

[Dokko]

1 more point, and with 6 games to go, we finish ahead of the in the PL for only the 2nd time. 2 seasons in a row. Fergie will be fizzing.

[midds]

 

They've got nearly half of their points from promoted teams but absolutely gash against the rest of the league. Fulham must be fuming

[KaKa]

46 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’ve changed my thinking about our transfer approach. We should keep it as is or close. 
 

More Tonali’s please. In general I’m happy to keep the physical monster + high floor technician like Tonali.  Those don’t come cheap mind. Opportunistic quality when we can find it. So we need the CL money.  
 

Our big signings have been massive successes. 

 

Tonali has been a huge hit and was the top end option we ultimately decided to go for, which is fair enough and fine when the finances allow for it.

 

However, in and around the time there were also very strong links with Khephrem Thuram and Manu Kone from what I recall. These two are now at Juventus and Roma respectively, and moved for much less money.

 

I think they have both been really good at their new clubs, and would have easily improved us significantly too and been great under Howe.

 

Our talent ID is incredibly good. And the options we consider across different fees is still bang on IMO.

 

Even without spending what we did on Tonali, I think we would have ended up with a very good player.

 

And so, the Champions League money would be a bonus, but I don't think it will stop us making progress if we miss out here and there over the next few years.

 

The people in charge of things behind the scenes across recruitment and coaching is really what is the difference maker.

 

Between Nickson, Howe and now adding Michelle on top of that, with all working together, I think we're in a very strong position.

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Tonali has been a huge hit and was the top end option we ultimately decided to go for, which is fair enough and fine when the finances allow for it.

 

However, in and around the time there were also very strong links with Khephrem Thuram and Manu Kone from what I recall. These two are now at Juventus and Roma respectively, and moved for much less money.

 

I think they have both been really good at their new clubs, and would have easily improved us significantly too and been great under Howe.

 

Our talent ID is incredibly good. And the options we consider across different fees is still bang on IMO.

 

Even without spending what we did on Tonali, I think we would have ended up with a very good player.

 

And so, the Champions League money would be a bonus, but I don't think it will stop us making progress if we miss out here and there over the next few years.

 

The people in charge of things behind the scenes across recruitment and coaching is really what is the difference maker.

 

Between Nickson, Howe and now adding Michelle on top of that, with all working together, I think we're in a very strong position.

Etikite would’ve been a success but Isak was another level.  Getting our premium targets is why we are as good as we are.  A lot of our better players are hitting their peak.  Let’s get CL and fucking go for it man if FFP permits. A second CL campaign helps tremendously with the sponsors too. 
 

Im not against a good younger option when it’s the best option (Hall, Livra). But if we can get our first choice 23 year old let’s do it. 
 

If Villa had the squad they have now at the start of the season they get CL. If we can build a proper squad we’ll challenge for CL again next season. Maybe even a title challenge.  We are so close to being a legit side.  Give us another quality attacker.  A top RCB with pace. A good goalie that can pass and some more quality at CM.  We are damn near as good as anyone in Europe. 

[Froggy]

52 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I was lead to believe Ugarte is really good though?

 

Good at winning the ball and giving it to someone else.

 

I've a lot of time for Ugarte. Very poor yesterday.