Kid Icarus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Should also say that I think it's bad enough that there are people at Man United who even thought this was a conundrum that needed to be worked out and shows just how low the profit motive makes people go. 'They'd sell their own granny' seems like a fairly mild expression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Should also say that I think it's bad enough that there are people at Man United who even thought this was a conundrum that needed to be worked out and shows just how low the profit motive makes people go. 'They'd sell their own granny' seems like a fairly mild expression. Richard Arnold was bringing him back into the team. 100%. Ten Hag was clearly open to it as well, and has previous supporting Overmars at Ajax. We do ourselves no favours. Edited April 2 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Ten Hag strikes me very much as a “facts and figures” man. If it’s logical to bring him back because he’s a good footballer / logical to sell because hes a good footballer, he’d push for that. Wonder what Ferguson would have done. Keegan would have ran him out of town without a second thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 14 minutes ago, gbandit said: Ten Hag strikes me very much as a “facts and figures” man. If it’s logical to bring him back because he’s a good footballer / logical to sell because hes a good footballer, he’d push for that. Wonder what Ferguson would have done. Keegan would have ran him out of town without a second thought Fergie was definitely a "the club comes first" kind of manager. I'd day if he had a cracking player on his hands he'd try to stop things from going public first mind. Once bad news got out then he'd cut ties IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 24 minutes ago, Froggy said: Richard Arnold was bringing him back into the team. 100%. Ten Hag was clearly open to it as well, and has previous supporting Overmars at Ajax. We do ourselves no favours. Do you think there's still a small chance he'll play for you again? Or do you think the protests last time will continue to prevent your hierarchy from even trying it? Obviously he shouldn't be playing for yous but do wonder if they might test the waters again to see if they can try and brush it under the carpet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, joeyt said: Do you think there's still a small chance he'll play for you again? Or do you think the protests last time will continue to prevent your hierarchy from even trying it? Obviously he shouldn't be playing for yous but do wonder if they might test the waters again to see if they can try and brush it under the carpet Zero chance he plays for us again. The decision will be whether or not to cash in on him. Funny enough the position we're arguably weakest at is Greenwood's position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 The correct thing to have done would have been to terminate his contract. I’m sure there would have been some sort of insurance the club could have claimed. What they have done essentially loaning him out with different wording and taking a “let’s see how it goes” approach was a massive own goal. No doubting there’s a player in there but it sends a terrible message that basically if you’re a wealthy young player you can do pretty much what you want and there won’t be any major consequences. If it was a Newcastle player and situation replicated here, I’d have exactly the same opinion, regardless of our FFP position. Some things are more important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 52 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Should also say that I think it's bad enough that there are people at Man United who even thought this was a conundrum that needed to be worked out and shows just how low the profit motive makes people go. 'They'd sell their own granny' seems like a fairly mild expression. Tbf, Stifler’s first reaction was that Man U could afford to just cut ties while you guys have less financial room to manoeuvre. Every club will have people putting forward the financial argument. It’s sometimes just important to do the right thing and that’s hopefully what will win out. I do think that the negative PR doesn’t matter as much as we would like. Having a Russian oligarch/kleptocrat throw money at a club was horrible to watch from outside but Chelsea fans by and large loved it and they got tons of new fans. We’ve already seen a significant number of Newcastle fans on this board saying “fuck it, let us just spend whatever we want”. If you’re successful you can just bludgeon on through. It’s harder when it’s just one player, but we’ve already seen Antony play on with any pushback dwindling. And isn’t his case similar - accusations but no charges? (Genuine question, I’ve not been following either story closely). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 19 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Tbf, Stifler’s first reaction was that Man U could afford to just cut ties while you guys have less financial room to manoeuvre. Every club will have people putting forward the financial argument. It’s sometimes just important to do the right thing and that’s hopefully what will win out. I do think that the negative PR doesn’t matter as much as we would like. Having a Russian oligarch/kleptocrat throw money at a club was horrible to watch from outside but Chelsea fans by and large loved it and they got tons of new fans. We’ve already seen a significant number of Newcastle fans on this board saying “fuck it, let us just spend whatever we want”. If you’re successful you can just bludgeon on through. It’s harder when it’s just one player, but we’ve already seen Antony play on with any pushback dwindling. And isn’t his case similar - accusations but no charges? (Genuine question, I’ve not been following either story closely). Not sure, but as much as I agree in general, I think the degree of separation there is with Abramovic and our owners makes it easier to ignore than in the Greenwood situation where he's been recorded raping his gf and we've all heard it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 26 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Tbf, Stifler’s first reaction was that Man U could afford to just cut ties while you guys have less financial room to manoeuvre. Every club will have people putting forward the financial argument. It’s sometimes just important to do the right thing and that’s hopefully what will win out. I do think that the negative PR doesn’t matter as much as we would like. Having a Russian oligarch/kleptocrat throw money at a club was horrible to watch from outside but Chelsea fans by and large loved it and they got tons of new fans. We’ve already seen a significant number of Newcastle fans on this board saying “fuck it, let us just spend whatever we want”. If you’re successful you can just bludgeon on through. It’s harder when it’s just one player, but we’ve already seen Antony play on with any pushback dwindling. And isn’t his case similar - accusations but no charges? (Genuine question, I’ve not been following either story closely). I also said that I’d want him nowhere near the club as well. It depends on what side I’m looking at it. From a fans point of view, out and never darken our door again. If I’m on the board the moral in me wants him out, but the clubs needs requires me to get something financially out of it, be that through insurance, or even compensation via the player himself if that’s even possible, or to a lesser extent, a transfer fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 26 minutes ago, Stifler said: I also said that I’d want him nowhere near the club as well. It depends on what side I’m looking at it. From a fans point of view, out and never darken our door again. If I’m on the board the moral in me wants him out, but the clubs needs requires me to get something financially out of it, be that through insurance, or even compensation via the player himself if that’s even possible, or to a lesser extent, a transfer fee. Oh yeah, I was just making the point that it wasn’t just Man U who have people thinking the financial factors might play a part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Their worst performance of the PL era tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, SteV said: Their worst performance of the PL era tonight? Liverpool beat them 7-0 last year. Been some hilarious scorelines ,but the fuckers could still finish above us and bag a trophy this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 3 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said: Liverpool beat them 7-0 last year. Been some hilarious scorelines ,but the fuckers could still finish above us and bag a trophy this season. Yeah, it’s not the worst result they’ve ever had in the PL obviously, but watching it, they were so devoid of anything positive, it felt like that was actually the worst I can ever remember seeing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) In a way they've benefitted from being consistently shit. When they were brilliant the thrashings they suffered had more impact Edited May 6 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Froggy, are your team shit because of the injuries? Or, like I've been telling you all season is Ten Bob an absolute crap manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 31/05/2023 at 18:19, Froggy said: Antony does have 15 goal involvements himself this season. I'd give him more a bit more time than one season though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 22 minutes ago, Rod said: Froggy, are your team shit because of the injuries? Or, like I've been telling you all season is Ten Bob an absolute crap manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 3 hours ago, SteV said: Their worst performance of the PL era tonight? Worst performance I think is a definite possibility. Not the worst result though. Especially considering how good Palace have been recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonCanuck Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 just saw the score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 It’s all good, the sporting director they’ve appointed in a professional manner will sort it, oh wait… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 We'll be playing our 3rd choice RB at CB against them so should be a level playing field for them anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 14 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We'll be playing our 3rd choice RB at CB against them so should be a level playing field for them anyway. what was our League Cup team again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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