Chicane Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think he clearly has a lot of talent, would be a shame if he isn't able to realise that here. Personally I think his mental strength/resilience/determination is his biggest hinderance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 At the end of the day, at Montpellier, he played as a central attacking midfielder, playing quick passes, and playing one twos, rarely going shoulder to shoulder and especially not on the wing. He never consistently took people on the way Hatem did, or the way players like Hazard can. It's not his style and never has been, so to expect him to take to the PL and start playing that style is stupid to the nth degree. If we, as a team, learn to pass the ball more and involve more off the ball movement, I can immediately see him stepping it up a level, due to the reduced physicality he would face. Who would you compare him to at Montpellier? He's not particularly similar to any of their current squad. Their number 7 Anthony Mounier is an out and out winger, and has took up Cabellas play making responsibility. After that, the rest of the team is average except Morgan Sanson, who we have been linked with previously. Barrios, ex BVB player has done well, but he was only on loan from Russia, and played centre forward. So again, there is nowt to compare him with. Any particular reason you want to compare him to his past squad? Because there is no chance we are signing players from them again, we have ruined MYM, and damaged Cabella so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sanson from what I've seen would be a good signing for us Only 20 years old aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 At the end of the day, at Montpellier, he played as a central attacking midfielder, playing quick passes, and playing one twos, rarely going shoulder to shoulder and especially not on the wing. He never consistently took people on the way Hatem did, or the way players like Hazard can. It's not his style and never has been, so to expect him to take to the PL and start playing that style is stupid to the nth degree. If we, as a team, learn to pass the ball more and involve more off the ball movement, I can immediately see him stepping it up a level, due to the reduced physicality he would face. Who would you compare him to at Montpellier? He's not particularly similar to any of their current squad. Their number 7 Anthony Mounier is an out and out winger, and has took up Cabellas play making responsibility. After that, the rest of the team is average except Morgan Sanson, who we have been linked with previously. Barrios, ex BVB player has done well, but he was only on loan from Russia, and played centre forward. So again, there is nowt to compare him with. Any particular reason you want to compare him to his past squad? Because there is no chance we are signing players from them again, we have ruined MYM, and damaged Cabella so far. Sorry - I meant - from the player he was at in Montpellier, what player would liken him to? I did the lazy thing of thinking he was the HBA replacement. A wide man, skillful and someone that could get a lot of goals. He's not that player at all. Mata? Silva? Nasri? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sorry - I meant - from the player he was at in Montpellier, what player would liken him to? I did the lazy thing of thinking he was the HBA replacement. A wide man, skillful and someone that could get a lot of goals. He's not that player at all. Mata? Silva? Nasri? I wanted him to be our HBA aswell, but I knew he wasn't as explosive, and playing him on the wing hasn't helped at all. I would say he's a poor mans version of someone like Coutinho, clever passes, good movement, handful of goals and assists. In Ligue 1, where he had more time and space, he played some brilliant games, although with Montpellier being a midtable team, alot of it was counter attacking football. He was very often the player winning the ball high up the pitch and starting attacks. It's something I never understood about Pardews criticism of him, because he's actually pretty damn good at tackling for a creative midfielder. Unfortunately he wont come close to replicating Coutihno type of performances for us, and he will never be Silva or Nasri good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 His decision making is the bigger problem rather than his physique IMO. He holds on to the ball far too long thinking about what to do and eventually gets muscled off it. Tbf if we had better movement he may see a pass quicker and get rid of it quicker He delays on the ball because of the lack of movement - it was exactly the same with HBA. No options so they hold onto it and then get abuse from the crowd for being greedy. Why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp? Two players who can play amazing through balls to runners (among other things) look like absolute toilet in a team where everyone but them stand still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sanson from what I've seen would be a good signing for us Nah. He's an alco now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/03/18/2A33E75A00000578-3148769-image-a-19_1435943189598.jpg Caption competition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Absolute Trash, Two Dweebs and a Queen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/03/18/2A33E75A00000578-3148769-image-a-19_1435943189598.jpg Caption competition Hmmmmmmm mince! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I call this technique, "The Flying Mantis". Add those "swish" "swosh" sounds to give it old Hong-Kong movies effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Do not mock, he is levitating the ball with his mind powers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think he clearly has a lot of talent, would be a shame if he isn't able to realise that here. Personally I think his mental strength/resilience/determination is his biggest hinderance I think it's coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/03/18/2A33E75A00000578-3148769-image-a-19_1435943189598.jpg Caption competition Woodman "See Steve, this is what happens when you don't float it to Willo" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think he clearly has a lot of talent, would be a shame if he isn't able to realise that here. Personally I think his mental strength/resilience/determination is his biggest hinderance I think it's coaching. Same, direct one to one coaching since we signed him plus that fact everyone else around him has been crippled by the same coaching. I'm hoping he stays, think he'll do well under the new team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Selling anyone with talent at this point would be stupid really, nobody had a chance last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/03/18/2A33E75A00000578-3148769-image-a-19_1435943189598.jpg Caption competition Woodman "See Steve, this is what happens when you don't float it to Willo" Something happens when he hears the music...It's his freedom. It's his fire. It's his life. What a feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nattfare Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/03/18/2A33E75A00000578-3148769-image-a-19_1435943189598.jpg Caption competition Woodman "See Steve, this is what happens when you don't float it to Willo" Something happens when he hears the music...It's his freedom. It's his fire. It's his life. What a feeling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. Aye it's not just the managers, it's the coaching staff as a whole. Pardew probably wouldn't have been so bad if he had a decent backroom staff, but Pardew combined with a bunch of ball boys was utter aids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing shite When the majority of players play poorly more often than they play well, and they're not shit players, then there's clearly a common denominator in the situation ffs. If it was 1-2 lazy flair monkeys then yeah I'd buy it, but it's not, it's been all of them for the vast majority of the time playing shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 They were on a football field with a ball, of course they had a chance. I'd be looking to sell as many as could be replaced with about 7 exceptions. You can't blame a manager for everything like. You can't just let him off the hook because he had bad managers Staggering, utterly staggering opinion considering the level of coaching, tactics and selections we've endured in the last 4-5 years. At various times Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, Janmaat, Ba, Cisse all played well under that poor management. A poor manager isn't an excuse for playing s**** No one said it was, only that they are not playing to their potential consistently and a better coaching staff is more likely to bring it out. Even though all of them players had their moments under Pardew it was really was just one massive missed opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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