Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Every single game he played on the right side of a front three, he was a terror. Nothing else to be said. I am still waiting for an explanation on why he was ever taken away from that position, especially after that season where he was so devastating there, alongside Cisse and Ba. One highlighted, the other probably how often Debuchy got himself forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Every single game he played on the right side of a front three, he was a terror. Nothing else to be said. I am still waiting for an explanation on why he was ever taken away from that position, especially after that season where he was so devastating there, alongside Cisse and Ba. One highlighted, the other probably how often Debuchy got himself forward. Can't help but feel Pardew was always going to find a reason to drop him regardless. Just so annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. It's simple, he disagreed with Pardball, hated the ultra defensive hoofball we played, was the only one willing to task Pardew on his gameplan and was despised for it, how dare he question the King?? That's when the muck throwing began, the old adage stays true, you throw enough muck, it sticks. "He's a trouble maker" "he's lazy/doesn't track back" "he damages the harmony in the squad". I've been tarnished with lies, worked my arse off and it still haunts me at work for those higher up that don't know me personally. These things don't go away no matter how many times you prove yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Riddled with myths as well. Mercurial One game in ten Doesn't work hard All total bullshit. Fine. Love the guy too. So why the dickens were European clubs seemingly so unwilling to invest anything in his signature last summer? Again with this We've seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs in the past, it's no indication of anything and I have no idea why people choose to cite nonsense like this over things they've actually witnessed with their own eyes. I know with my own eyes he's the kind of talented and exciting player I long to have playing for us. I'm asking the question because it's frankly baffling that nobody (including Pardew) wanted him based on what we've all seen, but they clearly have some kind of reasoning behind it and I'd like to know what it is. You say we have seen plenty of players move to 'lesser' clubs, but none that I can remember as skilfull and at such a young age. When he was eventually loaned to Hull his stock wasn't exactly high, he looked overweight in some photos and that was completely overblown in the media, he was rebelling against the manager and wasn't playing football. Alan Pardew and Steve Bruce have been the 2 managers in charge of his management the past 4 years. I honestly don't think there's anything more to it, they're terrible managers from the same school of thought. Maybe he is a bit of a dick, I don't know, but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him and I'd be very surprised it it wasn't the same case with Bruce (who also seems to think he's an attacking midfielder which he patently isn't), but by not playing him you're allowing him to slip under the radar and be scrutinised, which is what's happening now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Why do all players have to track back? Bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I find it more bizarre that Bruce publicly praised HBA for being "professional" and dropped him after just 1 month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't find it bizarre at all, that sounds like Pardew trick and Bruce is cut from exactly the same cloth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I imagine any manager in the world would prefer to play defensive midfielder David Meyler out of position on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Brucey's a complete mong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Howeh then. We're listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. I do though, he's been fit and available for 4 years whilst Pardew has, at various times and for extended periods, instead opted for Papiss Cisse, Gabrielle Obertan, Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi, Ryan Taylor & Moussa Sissoko on the wings. Ben Arfa would be benched, or play 45 minutes, or come on for the final 10. It changed from week to week and was quite clearly a tactical decision from Pardew - who has actually said as much, multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. I do though, he's been fit and available for 4 years whilst Pardew has, at various times and for extended periods, instead opted for Papiss Cisse, Gabrielle Obertan, Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi, Ryan Taylor & Moussa Sissoko on the wings. Ben Arfa would be benched, or play 45 minutes, or come on for the final 10. It changed from week to week and was quite clearly a tactical decision from Pardew - who has actually said as much, multiple times. so theres your genuine reason then... tactical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 His tactical decision was to play Papiss Cisse, Gabrielle Obertan, Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi, Ryan Taylor & Moussa Sissoko on the wing instead, I think we can all agree that there's absolutely no reasoning at all behind that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. I do though, he's been fit and available for 4 years whilst Pardew has, at various times and for extended periods, instead opted for Papiss Cisse, Gabrielle Obertan, Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi, Ryan Taylor & Moussa Sissoko on the wings. Ben Arfa would be benched, or play 45 minutes, or come on for the final 10. It changed from week to week and was quite clearly a tactical decision from Pardew - who has actually said as much, multiple times. so theres your genuine reason then... tactical Is that supposed to be a point in Pardew's favour? Tactical At RW Cisse Obertan Gouffran Sammy RTaylor Sissoko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 but I do know that Alan Pardew had no genuine reasons for not playing him No you dont. I do though, he's been fit and available for 4 years whilst Pardew has, at various times and for extended periods, instead opted for Papiss Cisse, Gabrielle Obertan, Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi, Ryan Taylor & Moussa Sissoko on the wings. Ben Arfa would be benched, or play 45 minutes, or come on for the final 10. It changed from week to week and was quite clearly a tactical decision from Pardew - who has actually said as much, multiple times. so theres your genuine reason then... tactical Is that supposed to be a point in Pardew's favour? Tactical At RW Cisse Obertan Gouffran Sammy RTaylor Sissoko Don't forget Bigi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2862754/Hatem-Ben-Arfa-facing-Hull-axe-angering-Steve-Bruce-half-time-Man-United-defeat.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJberger Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I just cant blame him for pissing off the likes of Bruce and Pardew, both bonafide shit managers. Needs to go to a team with a manager who has a clue and some decent players and have a proper go, wasted in Hull.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Unfortunately none of these good managers want him in their team. All their fault, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 What a bizarre article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 What a bizarre article Really strange- States all these 'facts' then the last line says there is no problem and the club insist he is a model professional Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 What a bizarre article Really strange- States all these 'facts' then the last line says there is no problem and the club insist he is a model professional it's as if they just made it up??..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 "Lewis Nufc Roseby: have to say i was gutted to see him leave, but we've shown we dont need him" "Peter Simpson: HA HA FATTIE WELCOME BACK ,,,SHUT YA FAT ARROGANT HOLE AND LEARN TO PASS THE BALL LEARN FROM ROLANDO AARONS ,,,,A RESPESCTFUL FOOTBALLER" "Alex Reid: Interesting? He's a useless wanker. Always has been apart from the odd game." "Jon Nugent: No smoke without fire. Being substituted after half an hour ain't just tactical mate. Plus he hasn't exactly been a regular starter has he." So much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Celery Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Bit of a joke, like. He's 9 years younger and more naturally talented than Frank Lampard. Look at where their respective careers are now. That's the difference having a set of balls makes. Fuck me, you seriously don't believe this do you? Joey Barton has a "set of balls" as well and has had a nothing career for the most part. Lampard is way more gifted than Ben Arfa, stop throwing around cliches. To reference "House of Pain" the Cream of the crop, usually rise to the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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