brummie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Spudil fishing for bites further afield. Football in the North East is reflective of our position in the UK as a whole. An afterthought. Newcastle and Sunderland have the 3rd and 4th biggest stadiums in the country, easily fillable every week if we were any good, and yet we both treat mid-table like the Promised Land, gazing longingly at Everton and Spurs. They're even more of a disgrace than we are, with far less ambition than even our fans. Fuck all will to succeed in our region, we've nearly always been shit (and they always have) so we're generally content with continuing the trend. The thing is - and I hate myself for saying this - if you were Randy Lerner or Ellis Short or Mike Ashley, and you were looking at the Premier League as it is now, and thinking "well, I can sit on my arse, not invest myself emotionally, not spend too much money, leave the club ticking over, finish somewhere between 6th and 17th, fluctuating a bit season on season, or I can spend £250m and make a concerted effort at CL football, which might actually turn out to end after two games" what would you do? The horrific thing is that I too would probably settle for ticking over. And that's the problem There's no point you, or me, or leffe, or Neil, or that Man U fan who comes on here* even thinking about things like winning the league any more, because we can't, it can't happen unless we get someone in as chairman who is a multi billionaire (remember when you used to just need a multi millionaire, or a billionaire?) with some sort of mental malfunction that makes him want to do this sort of thing. That is the depressing thing. When I was a kid in the 1970s, I remember Leeds then Derby, then Forest coming from pretty much nowhere (I honestly remember thinking I'd never actually heard of Forest before the first time they won the league) and winning shit. I even remember my own team winning pretty much everything except the FA Cup. All that now can not happen, it is just impossible. I haven't been to a single match this season, and I am not going to until something changes. I went to my first match in 1973, I've had a season ticket most years since then, I went almost a decade missing one or two matches home and away at most a season, my family have supported this club since it started. And do you know what? If i go tomorrow or don't go, it doesn't fucking matter to them, because, even after 20 years of fans mattering not one fucking iota, it is getting worse, attendances matter less and less. They don't really give a shit if 30,000 people are there tomorrow or 40,000. Why should they? The people who watch on telly in Asia are way, way more important, and it will get more like that. Very good point about Everton and Spurs, incidentally. I've noticed that among our fans recently. In recent years, we'd lost to the top four and people would say "well, they're the top four". Now we get effortlessly brushed aside by Everton and it's "well, they finished in the top five". It'll only be a matter of time until we're beaten easily by the likes of West Ham, and people will be saying "well, they're in London" (or some other nonsensical excuse), we can't possibly hope to compete. Meh. It really is a load of utter nonsense when it comes down to it. * obviously, the Man United thing was a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Anyone else feel worse now than two weeks ago? We were on the precipise of getting rid of this cunt and then four wins on the bounce comes along to cement his position. I'm raging here like ffs. I can't fucking believe what's happened. Feel like an asshole being upset that the team has been playing well, but at the same time you get glimpses of what this collection of players could potentially be under a better manager and it's unbelievably frustrating. Exactly! I had an argument with wor lass tonight just because she even mentioned the result! Think about that for a second.....I a Newcastle fan had an argument with my lass cause she mentioned that we had beaten Liverpool! I'm speechless that this scenario has become reality. This result in any other year would have seen her immediately pinned down and her back doors smashed the fuck to bits.... Instead she's fucked off out with her mates and I've spent my Saturday night alone watching the X Factor and eating an Iceland curry. Its the absolute pits. Fuck you Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Spudil fishing for bites further afield. Football in the North East is reflective of our position in the UK as a whole. An afterthought. Newcastle and Sunderland have the 3rd and 4th biggest stadiums in the country, easily fillable every week if we were any good, and yet we both treat mid-table like the Promised Land, gazing longingly at Everton and Spurs. They're even more of a disgrace than we are, with far less ambition than even our fans. Fuck all will to succeed in our region, we've nearly always been shit (and they always have) so we're generally content with continuing the trend. The thing is - and I hate myself for saying this - if you were Randy Lerner or Ellis Short or Mike Ashley, and you were looking at the Premier League as it is now, and thinking "well, I can sit on my arse, not invest myself emotionally, not spend too much money, leave the club ticking over, finish somewhere between 6th and 17th, fluctuating a bit season on season, or I can spend £250m and make a concerted effort at CL football, which might actually turn out to end after two games" what would you do? The horrific thing is that I too would probably settle for ticking over. And that's the problem There's no point you, or me, or leffe, or Neil, or that Man U fan who comes on here* even thinking about things like winning the league any more, because we can't, it can't happen unless we get someone in as chairman who is a multi billionaire (remember when you used to just need a multi millionaire, or a billionaire?) with some sort of mental malfunction that makes him want to do this sort of thing. That is the depressing thing. When I was a kid in the 1970s, I remember Leeds then Derby, then Forest coming from pretty much nowhere (I honestly remember thinking I'd never actually heard of Forest before the first time they won the league) and winning shit. I even remember my own team winning pretty much everything except the FA Cup. All that now can not happen, it is just impossible. I haven't been to a single match this season, and I am not going to until something changes. I went to my first match in 1973, I've had a season ticket most years since then, I went almost a decade missing one or two matches home and away at most a season, my family have supported this club since it started. And do you know what? If i go tomorrow or don't go, it doesn't fucking matter to them, because, even after 20 years of fans mattering not one fucking iota, it is getting worse, attendances matter less and less. They don't really give a shit if 30,000 people are there tomorrow or 40,000. Why should they? The people who watch on telly in Asia are way, way more important, and it will get more like that. Very good point about Everton and Spurs, incidentally. I've noticed that among our fans recently. In recent years, we'd lost to the top four and people would say "well, they're the top four". Now we get effortlessly brushed aside by Everton and it's "well, they finished in the top five". It'll only be a matter of time until we're beaten easily by the likes of West Ham, and people will be saying "well, they're in London" (or some other nonsensical excuse), we can't possibly hope to compete. Meh. It really is a load of utter nonsense when it comes down to it. I hope your indifference to your club and football doesn't stop you posting absolute sense like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Can we sign brummie in a swap deal for one of our Back Pardew pricks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayola Kid Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 When I was a kid in the 1970s, I remember Leeds then Derby, then Forest coming from pretty much nowhere (I honestly remember thinking I'd never actually heard of Forest before the first time they won the league) and winning s***. I even remember my own team winning pretty much everything except the FA Cup. All that now can not happen, it is just impossible. This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? The worst thing about the game these days is that someone like Clough - who I genuinely think is the greatest British manager ever - would not be able to achieve anything like as much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 In fact, Clough in the modern era would be like seeing Lennon and McCartney rock up on the X Factor, trying to convince Louis Walsh they're worth a spin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? The worst thing about the game these days is that someone like Clough - who I genuinely think is the greatest British manager ever - would not be able to achieve anything like as much. Aye, even doing what Keegan did with us is pretty much unthinkable these days unless you've got some serious money behind you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? The worst thing about the game these days is that someone like Clough - who I genuinely think is the greatest British manager ever - would not be able to achieve anything like as much. Aye, even doing what Keegan did with us is pretty much unthinkable these days unless you've got some serious money behind you. Someone sent me a link the other day, it was a clip on youtube of an entire episode of the local news here in Birmingham from june 1981. I sat down and spent half an hour watching it, purely out of nostalgia, not even thinking about football. At the end, it was the sports news, and the main story was "Ron Saunders is understood to have turned down the vacant manager's job at Manchester United. Saunders said he was not intending to leave champions Aston Villa". All of a sudden, the half hour spent looking at the outdated fashions of the presenters, the awful graphics, the ancient looking presentation was totally trumped by a little snippet like that that made it feel more like 100 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Can we sign brummie in a swap deal for one of our Back Pardew pricks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? The worst thing about the game these days is that someone like Clough - who I genuinely think is the greatest British manager ever - would not be able to achieve anything like as much. Aye, even doing what Keegan did with us is pretty much unthinkable these days unless you've got some serious money behind you. Someone sent me a link the other day, it was a clip on youtube of an entire episode of the local news here in Birmingham from june 1981. I sat down and spent half an hour watching it, purely out of nostalgia, not even thinking about football. At the end, it was the sports news, and the main story was "Ron Saunders is understood to have turned down the vacant manager's job at Manchester United. Saunders said he was not intending to leave champions Aston Villa". All of a sudden, the half hour spent looking at the outdated fashions of the presenters, the awful graphics, the ancient looking presentation was totally trumped by a little snippet like that that made it feel more like 100 years ago. Had a similar moment like that recently. Read this quote in a book and I'd have given anything to turn the clocks back http://i.imgur.com/AHNbUZ1.png We had almost been relegated to the old 3rd Division only a few years before he said that. Now I'm sat here gutted because we've beaten Tottenham, Man City and Liverpool in the space of a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJberger Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Two games a season where I want us to win, and thats vs the bin dippers. So job well done today Alan...for the remaining 36 games Im all for "letting our hair down" performances until the lipless burn victim is gone... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Spudil fishing for bites further afield. Football in the North East is reflective of our position in the UK as a whole. An afterthought. Newcastle and Sunderland have the 3rd and 4th biggest stadiums in the country, easily fillable every week if we were any good, and yet we both treat mid-table like the Promised Land, gazing longingly at Everton and Spurs. They're even more of a disgrace than we are, with far less ambition than even our fans. f*** all will to succeed in our region, we've nearly always been s*** (and they always have) so we're generally content with continuing the trend. It's less about attendance figures than matchday income (and beyond that other commercial income/sponsorship). We are far from 3rd or 4th in matchday income, and that surely means more than bodies through the gates? That isnt intended to excuse any lack of ambition, but just check out how much spurs take into the tills when they play a home match, and explain our advantage in having a much bigger crowd? Could easily whack the prices up if the team was any good, they've been frozen for years to keep people clinging on. Only the London clubs have the ability to go much higher but it's not a question of money anyway. Our clubs don't even match the ambition of Swansea or Southampton or fucking Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Brummie paints a clear but utterly depressing picture of football today and then that Keegan quote is just the final nail for me. I sometimes feel I was born 20 years too late when it comes to football and the experiences it has/had to offer but at least I got to witness the Keegan and Robson eras. God help the bairns of today like. It is absolutely chronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Feel a bit sorry for Pardew tbh. He's forced to sell then rebuild an entire team every other season! It's gunna take time for a new team to gel and settle into the Prem. Newcastle haven't done too badly over the last few seasons, when you have a settled team, you're always there or thereabouts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This. Have thought many times in the sky era - how would a manager like Clough announce himself now? Promotion, league title, then back to back european cups? Or getting someone to 5th three years in a row? The worst thing about the game these days is that someone like Clough - who I genuinely think is the greatest British manager ever - would not be able to achieve anything like as much. Aye, even doing what Keegan did with us is pretty much unthinkable these days unless you've got some serious money behind you. Someone sent me a link the other day, it was a clip on youtube of an entire episode of the local news here in Birmingham from june 1981. I sat down and spent half an hour watching it, purely out of nostalgia, not even thinking about football. At the end, it was the sports news, and the main story was "Ron Saunders is understood to have turned down the vacant manager's job at Manchester United. Saunders said he was not intending to leave champions Aston Villa". All of a sudden, the half hour spent looking at the outdated fashions of the presenters, the awful graphics, the ancient looking presentation was totally trumped by a little snippet like that that made it feel more like 100 years ago. Had a similar moment like that recently. Read this quote in a book and I'd have given anything to turn the clocks back http://i.imgur.com/AHNbUZ1.png We had almost been relegated to the old 3rd Division only a few years before he said that. Now I'm sat here gutted because we've beaten Tottenham, Man City and Liverpool in the space of a week. What book is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillClinton Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Should reset the poll to make sure we are all on the same page. twitter and facebook all seem to be blinded by the four wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I still hate the cunt and want him gone. Liverpool were absolute dogshit today, the Leicester game could've gone either way and we were awful against Spurs in the first half. I will give him some credit for the second half turnaround at least but I'm far from fooled into thinking we've turned things around that much. I could of course point out that Spurs had just played in the Europa a few days earlier but we would never used that as an excuse, would we Pards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 What book is this? www.amazon.com/Kevin-Keegan-Goal-Michael-Hodges/dp/075222476X One for the book club thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 can't wait until this fucking turkey starts having to make decisions and gets them all wrong like he always does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I'm so fucking "surprised" that we have got these unexpected wins. It's a never ending nightmare and unfortunately it looks like we're never getting rid of this clueless cunt. It seemed to be hard enough for people go get convinced before, and after these few wins it'll be almost impossible (again). The people behind Sackpardew.com made one hell of an effort and impact, sadly not enough (yet), but they built the platform and started some movement and made at least myself very optimistic. But too many fans must be content with this shit and refuse to see the obvious. They gave us a lifeline but too many opted to not take it. Yet again i see words like "has the penny finally dropped" and that "at least he's having a go now, "more positive now". Fuck my ass, we're back to square one again! Can't wait for the first couple of losses and see how Pardew reacts to them. Is there anything to wait for though? It's pretty much written in stone already and people who support the shit that's going on will say: "He turned it around last time when everyone wanted him gone". And even IF (big if) Pardew manages to defy gravity and do well on a consistant basis we will not try to kick on from there anywhere as we're a nothing club under this owner. I'm not even sure why i'm posting this. So many of you have said this a thousand times before, and put it way better than i did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Wonder what the biggest winless run followed by winning streak is in Premier League history? (8 games followed by 3 for us) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I still hate the c*** and want him gone. Liverpool were absolute dogshit today, the Leicester game could've gone either way and we were awful against Spurs in the first half. I will give him some credit for the second half turnaround at least but I'm far from fooled into thinking we've turned things around that much. I could of course point out that Spurs had just played in the Europa a few days earlier but we would never used that as an excuse, would we Pards? The reality is he's clearly not going anywhere before at least the end of the season unless we slip back into dire trouble and look certainties for relegation. That's probably not going to happen now. There patently has been a turnaround in confidence. Whether that's down to Pardew, certain players or just luck with a couple of results falling our way... fuck knows, but there is clearly a new-found confidence and solidity in the squad now. You may as well just enjoy it, while it lasts. If it does last, it may actually be our best chance of getting rid of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 No surprise that Williamson out of the team and the more positive playing style has coincided with a decent run of form. We all knew what the problem was and yet it took our cowardly manager almost a year to take the shackles off. It's only a matter of time before he starts demanding 'shut up shop' performances again. My guess is after the next defeat. Credit where it's due i guess but we all know that luck more than good judgement has got us here and with Pardew there's always disappointment just around the corner. Nice to see us win again but i still can't enjoy it fully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 That CRonaldo stat should be levelled at Lambert before his next game. But it won't be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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