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It's laughable man, like it was at the weekend when he said the crowd made the team get carried away with getting a fourth because they were happy that Williamson scored. What the fuck does he expect?

 

He's just full of it.

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The home fans do create pressure, that's a fact IMO. Obviously it's a normal part of being a big club, but it does exist. For me this is one of the Pardew quotes I still don't have that much of a problem with. When he says those things he never comes across to me like he means it as a criticism of the fans.

 

Really? That second quote to me is simply, "love your club less and it'll be a better club." It's an awful thing to say IMO.

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The home fans do create pressure, that's a fact IMO. Obviously it's a normal part of being a big club, but it does exist. For me this is one of the Pardew quotes I still don't have that much of a problem with. When he says those things he never comes across to me like he means it as a criticism of the fans.

 

Get to fuck man. It's the kind of rhetoric abusers say to keep their partner from leaving them.

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The home fans do create pressure, that's a fact IMO. Obviously it's a normal part of being a big club, but it does exist. For me this is one of the Pardew quotes I still don't have that much of a problem with. When he says those things he never comes across to me like he means it as a criticism of the fans.

 

And what about the other team? Are they immune to feeling any pressure?

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The home fans do create pressure, that's a fact IMO. Obviously it's a normal part of being a big club, but it does exist. For me this is one of the Pardew quotes I still don't have that much of a problem with. When he says those things he never comes across to me like he means it as a criticism of the fans.

 

And what about the other team? Are they immune to feeling any pressure?

 

No, but I've rarely heard a manager make excuses for the other team. I'm just not that bothered by this particular type of quote.

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Your opinions constantly go against the grain, I wouldn't say sharing them isn't acceptable, just a bit fruitless at this point. Probably not detrimental from yourself alone, but the more people unwilling to get on board 100% the harder this is going to be, even harder when you have people actively trying to disapprove these campaigns.

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There is a buzz when we score and it can make players take their minds off their specific roles, but you have to prepare the players for that. Especially when we play in a big stadium and the atmosphere is great when things are going well. Perhaps that's why the players aren't used to a bit of cheering, there's fuck all to cheer about most the time.

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Didn't Keegan and Robson say the exact opposite about the support, how they frightened the opposition and lifted our players? If Pardew tried playing with the intent to win he'd soon find how much the support help. Only his mongish style of play that makes us a negative influence, and I don't doubt we are at times - but that's down to him.

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The home fans do create pressure, that's a fact IMO. Obviously it's a normal part of being a big club, but it does exist. For me this is one of the Pardew quotes I still don't have that much of a problem with. When he says those things he never comes across to me like he means it as a criticism of the fans.

 

It comes with being a manager at a big club. Pardew is a small club manager though so he's not used to it, can't deal with it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've never heard Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or José Mourinho say anything like that.

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Your opinions constantly go against the grain, I wouldn't say sharing them isn't acceptable, just a bit fruitless at this point. Probably not detrimental from yourself alone, but the more people unwilling to get on board 100% the harder this is going to be, even harder when you have people actively trying to disapprove these campaigns.

 

Eh? I'm not trying to disprove anything, this is my first even semi-defensive post about Pardew for weeks.

 

Of course it's 'fruitless', I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I don't even want to keep Pardew, I just enjoy actually discussing the odd point.

 

Thought I'd earned a tiny bit of leeway by now like, my mistake.

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Your opinions constantly go against the grain, I wouldn't say sharing them isn't acceptable, just a bit fruitless at this point. Probably not detrimental from yourself alone, but the more people unwilling to get on board 100% the harder this is going to be, even harder when you have people actively trying to disapprove these campaigns.

 

Eh? I'm not trying to disprove anything, this is my first even semi-defensive post about Pardew for weeks.

 

Of course it's 'fruitless', I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I don't even want to keep Pardew, I just enjoy actually discussing the odd point.

 

Thought I'd earned a tiny bit of leeway by now like, my mistake.

 

I'm always interested in hearing all opinions, but I personally think you're way off on this one - and that's also an opinion.

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Souness has mentioned it before. It is a big club that has under-achieved for large periods. Even in good periods we never got across that line.

 

You get 50k fans to actually turn up and watch a lower midtable team, it's going to be quiet and often quick to anger.

 

Souness however does spin it back to the players. I remember him saying "you've got to be a real personality/character to succeed here."

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Your opinions constantly go against the grain, I wouldn't say sharing them isn't acceptable, just a bit fruitless at this point. Probably not detrimental from yourself alone, but the more people unwilling to get on board 100% the harder this is going to be, even harder when you have people actively trying to disapprove these campaigns.

 

Eh? I'm not trying to disprove anything, this is my first even semi-defensive post about Pardew for weeks.

 

Of course it's 'fruitless', I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I don't even want to keep Pardew, I just enjoy actually discussing the odd point.

 

Thought I'd earned a tiny bit of leeway by now like, my mistake.

 

I'm always interested in hearing all opinions, but I personally think you're way off on this one - and that's also an opinion.

 

No problem at all :thup:

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That was quick!

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-douglas-alan-pardew-caught-7741436

 

It was the first day of November: a cold, crisp and dark evening.

 

The dial was set to 5Live where Roberto Martinez, among others, was discussing the fate of Newcastle United in a week that they’d lost a derby and a lot of goodwill by becoming the most high-profile club to issue a banning order to its local ‘papers.

 

Martinez, an urbane, intelligent and thoughtful manager of stylish, entertaining sides, was asked whether the background noise mattered. “Not really,” he responded. “If the team win on Saturday it is all forgotten. All of it. Three points are all that matters.”

 

The next day, Newcastle achieved arguably their finest home victory since Alan Pardew was named the LMA’s Manager of the Year in 2012 – beating Chelsea 2-0 with a display laced with discipline and desire. As Martinez promised it would, discontent was quelled.

 

A year on, the question now is whether the boundaries have been shifted. Would three points on Saturday calm tensions? Or have we passed the point of no return?

 

Last night, a professional and polished website was launched. A sparkly site titled sackpardew.com lists the darkest days of the manager’s reign, recounts quotes that show him contradicting himself and statistics that appear damning.

 

It looks good but is, of course, highly selective in what it presents. It is unapologetically anti the manager and comes from the Newcastle fans on Twitter who asked fellow supporters to tweet pictures of themselves all over the world with an anti-Pardew message.

 

I asked supporters over social media what they thought of it and a rough count of the 70 or so replies I got within the first hour suggested that three quarters felt the website was a good thing. The rest felt it either pointless, vindictive or counter-productive.

 

At the moment the person behind the site is yet to identify themselves and there is no single Twitter fan claiming to be the driving force of the campaign, although there is a small crop of advocates for it.

 

There is a function to donate to ‘future campaigns’ – it doesn’t say what they are yet – that has raised £500 or so. Any money not used will be given to the Sir Bobby Robson Foundation, it says.

 

So what is the point of it all? It is highly unlikely, after all, that Mike Ashley will be convinced by a website, no matter how professionally put together it is. Fan campaigns in the past have done little to move United’s hierarchy.

 

But what those who advocate it say is that it is a lightening conductor for feelings that are running high, somewhere to direct ill-will against a man that they now believe is ruining their enjoyment of the club. “He cannot make us proud or make us believe that he can take this great football club in the right direction,” the front page reads.

 

It is an ‘awareness’ thing: documenting what they feel are his failings to convince those who don’t see it as clearly as they do. “We call upon Mike Ashley to remove Pardew from his post and to appoint a candidate based on merit, in an open and transparent manner, as soon as possible,” they say. “We will use all methods at our disposal to see this come to pass.”

 

What this means is unclear, but it all adds to a narrative that is troubling for the manager. Last season’s game against Cardiff saw Newcastle supporters walk out virtually en masse. It felt like a point of no return but Pardew has returned. It increasingly feels as if he is pushing against the tide.

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I could maybe agree with Ian W to a certain extent about this quote not being too offensive in isolation but the insinuation by the chief kunt pardwho is that we conceded the equaliser whilst trying to get a 4th.  Just re-read .com's match report and it's not as if we were caught on the break whilst marauding forward.  We couldn't defend a relatively non-dangerously situated free kick.  Got fuck all to do with the fans pressuring them. 

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