Pata Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Good point that Pata. Southgate should be reinforcing the point not to sexually assault anyone. Thanks mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, Pata said: Seriously speaking, this is something he should be applauded for but I also think he's just not good enough tactically to take that last step and you are wasting this tournament when Kane is still in his prime. I tend to agree but wouldn't begrudge him this last tournament too. FWIW I think we'll go out in the last 16 and Argentina will win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Find it more depressing than watching Bruce's Newcastle now to be honest. Similar to Ole at Man United really. Everyone knows he's not good enough in terms of tactics and in game management but because he's sorted the dressing room atmosphere out and is a nice guy he should keep getting another crack at it. Sometimes you have to be ruthless in football. After the Euro's we should have thanked him for the job he's done and looked for a replacement if we were serious about winning the World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 People who think the FA have the gumption, the ambition and most importantly the financial clout to pay an ambitious PL manager out of their contract and competitively in comparison to their contract and the wages they’d get elsewhere may find themselves sorely disappointed. Steve Cewper fucked it up by getting himself promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: Okay. So the ‘minimum bar’ will be a SF/Final appearance. Let’s see how that goes. Isn’t that exactly the point? The minimum bar is a SF/Final appearance. It always is. And he’s cleared it both times. Not that I don’t think he’s tactically moribund, but he’s done what he’s supposed to do. I think he’s a bit shit, and England are dull as fuck under him, and I wouldn’t shed a tear if we ditched him now…but I guess I’m truly just not all that fussed about stupid fucking friendlies at a stupid time of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Surely a quarter is par given your history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Ramsdale looks garbage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I don’t really see the squad as overrated imo. I’m 32 and there have definitely been better squads on paper in my lifetime, but this is still one of the best in the world. The PL is I think the best league in the world in recent years, judging by the number of teams excelling in Europe and we’ve got players consistently dominating it. We have a clear imbalance in our squad, but I don’t think anyone is in denial about that - they just recognise there is so much attacking talent in the squad and feel frustrated it gets sacrificed to shore up a defence, without the desired results. I can hardly look at some of the players in our spine and think they’re world class, but right now how many teams can you say that for? Is this really a golden era for centre-backs/midfielders in general? In fact in general I can’t say international football is an amazing standard. Italy were deserved winners at the Euros and tbh I had barely heard of half their team. Southgate has the typical English overly cautious approach. Different sports and all that, but watching cricket all day and it’s interesting how we get a Kiwi coach in and all of a sudden stop playing with fear. Need a bit more of that in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 His choices in match contexts were constantly justified throughout both the World Cup and the Euros. Trippier at LB, pairing Rice and Phillips, Sterling, sticking with Kane when everyone wanted him out the team. It isn't just the mentality/team ethic/culture stuff, though that is obviously critical and probably doesn't receive enough praise despite receiving some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 QF is par for England; history suggests that England are knocked out by the first really good side they play. And if the tournament is played outside England, this becomes a hard and fast rule. The second part didn’t change under Southgate - England had some fortune with the draws and home advantage at the Euros (not to be sniffed at - England haven’t beaten any major footballing nation in a knockout game played outside of England - and by major I mean Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain, Portugal). There is no reason to think Qatar will be any different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, triggs said: Surely a quarter is par given your history Invariably not beating a good team is par for England historically, just depends when they play them. Edited June 14, 2022 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Gareth has done wonders creating a great group spirit and positive atmosphire, he should have always been the assitant manager to someone with half a brain, some charisma and a forward thinking, attacking philosophy. His tactics just aren't working and it will destroy the good things he has created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Yorkie said: His choices in match contexts were constantly justified throughout both the World Cup and the Euros. Trippier at LB, pairing Rice and Phillips, Sterling, sticking with Kane when everyone wanted him out the team. It isn't just the mentality/team ethic/culture stuff, though that is obviously critical and probably doesn't receive enough praise despite receiving some. Agree on the mentality/team ethic/culture absolutely, but not sure I’d agree on the decisions. If we don’t know the alternatives then we can’t say for sure they were justified unless they always brought us the desired results. On both occasions we ultimately failed against decent teams after having fortunate draws and there’s reason to think Southgate was tactically naive in both of those matches. Also he persistently picks Mount and there’s no justification for that based on England form. Hungary were of course brilliant, but losing 0-4 at home to them is still absolutely pathetic and after this nations league it’s absolutely right he’s getting stick. Edited June 14, 2022 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, triggs said: Surely a quarter is par given your history Fair, which makes his position even more secure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Graeme Jones needs to be taken back into the fold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Last night it looked like a team managed by Steve Bruce. Pick 11 players then let them get on with it. No plan, no tactics, no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Southgate’s days were numbered when he appeared on that One Night with Adele shit on ITV. Anyone with music taste that bad shouldn’t be England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Southgate’s days were numbered when he appeared on that One Night with Adele shit on ITV. Anyone with music taste that bad shouldn’t be England manager. Thank fuck Eddie loves A-ha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: QF is par for England; history suggests that England are knocked out by the first really good side they play. And if the tournament is played outside England, this becomes a hard and fast rule. The second part didn’t change under Southgate - England had some fortune with the draws and home advantage at the Euros (not to be sniffed at - England haven’t beaten any major footballing nation in a knockout game played outside of England - and by major I mean Argentina, Brazil, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Spain, Portugal). There is no reason to think Qatar will be any different. Can sub out Belgium for Italy atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Can sub out Belgium for Italy atm. Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Thank fuck Eddie loves A-ha. The Living Daylights knocks the spots off anything that the Tubby Tottenham songstress has done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Another fave player of mine from the ‘90s! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Belgium are an excellent side at present - but they’re not traditional heavyweights. England knocked them out in the last 16 in Italy ‘90, of course - but other than Enzo Scifo that wasn’t a particularly strong Belgian side Agreed. I mean moreso if England beat Belgium in the WC KO stages that would be the most significant win outside of England in a major tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said: Wow. That’s depressing. All better than Southgate like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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