St. Maximin Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Geogaddi said: Can’t believe the amount of people that get worked up by the nations league mind, it’s like getting wound up if we lose to someone in a pre season friendly . It really isn’t at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Maguire is England's first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 hours ago, David Edgar said: He's head and shoulders above Southgate in managerial ability. Would make for the perfect England manager. Quiet you fools Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Awful appointment and one of the sole reasons i haven't given a shit about England since,like us after sir bobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Wonder who selected him. Ashworth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Wonder who selected him. Ashworth? Martin Glenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Winter is after Southgate, he's fucked. He also mentioned later that Tomori is better than Maguire Edited September 24, 2022 by Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 7 hours ago, St. Maximin said: It really isn’t at all. This 'Nations League' thing is less relevant than a friendly match. This competition (if that's what it is) is a complete waste of everyones time. It will disappear soon, I hope, and the sooner the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Personally I prefer it to friendlies, they were really terrible. Gives us something to play for, even if it’s not very serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 hours ago, manorpark said: This 'Nations League' thing is less relevant than a friendly match. This competition (if that's what it is) is a complete waste of everyones time. It will disappear soon, I hope, and the sooner the better. Hmmm I’ve seen them described as ‘glorified friendlies’, which I kind of get, but how are they less relevant than friendlies? Besides, the argument that us caring about these defeats is similar to us caring about a preseason defeat is simply not true. Even if you leave aside the fact these are still competitive to some extent, there’s a World Cup coming up and now’s a time to get the team prepared. It’s a short tournament with minimal opportunities to lose games, so I can’t see the comparison between these matches and club preseason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 No one took the World Cup seriously for the first few editions. FIFA had to beg countries to take part. In international competition you need fixtures that matter because winning a cap as a player should be important. I appreciate football fans get tired of comparisons to other sports but in cricket and rugby you don't have "friendlies" you have Tests, which matter. A lot. These sports make use of representative sides like England A or England B where you can call up a player to give international experience without the pressure and prestige of a full international. They used to have these in football (Chris Sutton doesn't say hello) so maybe they should bring them back for those who get sick of England v Germany or England v Italy and much prefer matches against Guam or Trinidad and Tobago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 The way Tomori has been playing at Milan he’s probably the most in form CB England have - strong, pacy and tactically sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Pope James - Tomori - Stones - Trips Rice - Bellingham Maddison Saka - Foden (as wingers) Kane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I don’t necessarily think the issue is with the players he picks or the formation, but the idea that exciting teams don’t win tournaments. I reckon the whole setup is geared around trying to control the ball and win the key ‘moments’ and to be fair it kind of has worked thus far. However, it basically looks to me like the players aren’t really showing the motivation to play this style of football any more. I think the cycle is at an end and his influence on the team is waning. Maybe they will turn it on in the WC but I don’t hold out any hope, and we will be back to where we have been for all my life, a second tier international football team that occasionally mixes it with the truly elite teams, but ultimately aren’t good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) Anyone else expecting Southgate to stay on after the WC? He's absolutely dogshit, but that hasn't led the FA to sack him previously. He's had two hyper-spawny tournaments already, and even if England are embarrassed this time around, I could see him staying on. Partially because the FA love him, and partially because any decent manager wouldn't touch that job with a bargepole. Edited September 25, 2022 by JumpersForGoalposts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Aye, he fluked 2 of England's 5 best ever major tournaments. Could call once a fluke but not twice like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Aye, he fluked 2 of England's 5 best ever major tournaments. Could call once a fluke but not twice like. I'm going to go bold and say that you either didn't watch them, or have been seduced by his waistcoat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Nah I didn't watch a second. You're right, we should have went out in the last 16 in both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Don't give a fuck,i doubt England will see a talent like this we had in my lifetime Fergie ruined our goat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 As far as the draws are concerned though, he was lucky surely? I know stats don’t lie and I also don’t want to compare his managerial ability to Steve Bruce, but surely we think his comfortable mid table finishes (in my view on paper high for our squad) didn’t paint a full picture? Southgate’s victories in big tournaments are beating okay Colombia (on penalties, albeit a great moment for English football) and Sweden sides in 2018 and Germany, Ukraine and Denmark (on paper the hardest two of which were at Wembley) in ‘2020’. Hardly extraordinary achievements and failure to win any of those would have been seen as a major disappointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 We've had easy draws in the past and better squads in the past and only outdone Southgate once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, JumpersForGoalposts said: I'm going to go bold and say that you either didn't watch them, or have been seduced by his waistcoat. Come on man. It’s not really fair on him to say he spawned his way to a semi and a final due to the route they had. I have nephews who are old enough to have been born when we had easy routes and were dumped out regardless. We were a couple of penalties away from winning the euros. We didn’t, but that’s the closest we’ve ever been in my 36 years of living. He didn’t pick the teams we played against and others have played worse and failed massively. Criticise him all you like for his boring, turgid, soulless football, but his record so far is great, and compares much more favourably to other more high profile England managers (Sven, Keegan, Capello, McClaren…at the time) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 And of course the mad thing is that the teams we beat are always shit in hindsight, but I don’t remember anyone really saying Columbia, Denmark and Germany would be easy fixtures at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JumpersForGoalposts said: Anyone else expecting Southgate to stay on after the WC? He's absolutely dogshit, but that hasn't led the FA to sack him previously. He's had two hyper-spawny tournaments already, and even if England are embarrassed this time around, I could see him staying on. Partially because the FA love him, and partially because any decent manager wouldn't touch that job with a bargepole. You have a point on the next manager mind. It’s going to be someone that needs the role rather than the other way round. I expect the media to clamour for Dyche Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We've had easy draws in the past and better squads in the past and only outdone Southgate once. My memory doesn’t stretch past 1998, but we definitely had a better squad in 2006 with a reasonable run to the quarters. We then lost to Portugal, who were definitely better than the Sweden and Ukraine teams Southgate had to beat. Then in 2010 we also had a fairly strong squad, but were dreadful and went out 2nd round. However, that was to an excellent young Germany side that would end up champions four years later. Sven and Capello rightly got stuck after losing these matches, even though more favourable draws wouldn’t have seen them play those teams. Regardless, their poor performances seem to make Southgate’s achievements look better seeing as his record is due to comparisons. I said before I wasn’t too annoyed about 2018 as that team was in transition and Croatia had a brilliant midfield, but 2020 we were virtually at home and had our easiest knockout match away. Being second best with one of the strongest squads there hire isn’t too impressive. Edited September 25, 2022 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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