Ketsbaia Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 It frustrates me seeing him at Fulham because I've always been a fan of his and think a sustained run in our team would have us several points better off now. Ah well, life happens! And then we die. Sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 It frustrates me seeing him at Fulham because I've always been a fan of his and think a sustained run in our team would have us several points better off now. Ah well, life happens! And then we die. Sometimes. Death comes for all of us, rich and poor alike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I'm certain we'd have at least 3-4 more points if Mitro was playing instead of Joselu. I think Rafa has got this one wrong, but he's the boss, and we have to accept his decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Rafa's not a disciplinarian in the typical sense, but his values are so ingrained that you might as well immediately pack your bags if you ever defy him. That's clearly what happened and Mitro will never get another chance for us, so I'm relieved to see him (and Colback, if Forest fans are to be believed) adding some pence to their price tags. Good luck to him, looks a great fit for Fulham and it's clearly been a good move for all parties. Colback and Mitro were made examples of by the looks of things, defining the culture of the dressing room. The squad's general discipline, rigidity and determination has won us most of our points so far imo... but by the same token, the pish strikers have ultimately cost us points. So it's swings and roundabouts in terms of the result, imo, but I'll always trust Rafa in the long run. This basically. It's hard to stomach seeing Mitro scoring goals somewhere else, but the way I see it, we could set up in a way that would see him scoring more goals, but long term we might still end up getting nowhere because we had no discipline or team shape in other areas. With Rafa you know that given the right calibre of players, he will get results, he's a proven top level manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I was speaking to a sensible Liverpool fan and it's hilarious how well they know him still, everything you mention to him about Rafa's quirks (such totally disregarding Mitro) he'll just throw in an example of when he did the exact same at Liverpool. Playing Kuyt all the time was his Joselu equivalent I seem to recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 The hyperbole around Mitro on various social media platforms is getting infuriating on both sides of the argument. You've got half pointing at the elbow at the start of the season and implying he'll literally get sent off every game he plays. The other half pointing out how long since he's had a red and claiming he's reformed. People reading the story about him running less in training than Joselu and Gayle and somehow twisting that to mean he's obviously the laziest cunt ever to put on a toon shirt and that he must be sitting on the floor and refusing to move every session. People seeing his recent form/goal record and chucking out random numbers claiming he'd have scored that many this season if only Rafa gave him a chance. Can there not be any middle ground in discussions any more? Obviously Rafa fancies the other strikers we have more than Mitro but does that have to mean Rafa thinks he's shit, lazy, can't be trusted, ect. Is it not possible for a player to play better or worse in different teams/systems? It's depressing watching all these stupid arguments play out day after day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 If Rafa was backed then i'd always back him over any player. If Rafa were to leave, then I'd happily give Mitro a chance over any other permanent forwards we currently have on our books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Aye that's fair enough. I'm not immediately defensive of him like some. Quite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Rafa's not a disciplinarian in the typical sense, but his values are so ingrained that you might as well immediately pack your bags if you ever defy him. That's clearly what happened and Mitro will never get another chance for us, so I'm relieved to see him (and Colback, if Forest fans are to be believed) adding some pence to their price tags. Good luck to him, looks a great fit for Fulham and it's clearly been a good move for all parties. Colback and Mitro were made examples of by the looks of things, defining the culture of the dressing room. The squad's general discipline, rigidity and determination has won us most of our points so far imo... but by the same token, the pish strikers have ultimately cost us points. So it's swings and roundabouts in terms of the result, imo, but I'll always trust Rafa in the long run. This basically. It's hard to stomach seeing Mitro scoring goals somewhere else, but the way I see it, we could set up in a way that would see him scoring more goals, but long term we might still end up getting nowhere because we had no discipline or team shape in other areas. With Rafa you know that given the right calibre of players, he will get results, he's a proven top level manager. Ah finally some middle ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I'm not really sure what Joselu does that's so great for our shape. He wins headers but usually doesn't control them. Don't think he's took it down on his chest once. Doesn't appear to be a massively hard worker out of possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I don't really buy the 'following instructions' angle which I think started off as speculation by one of the Chronicle hacks who passed it off as fact. In the last 10 minutes when you're chasing a game and players are tired and playing off instinct more, a lot of teams bring on a wild card. Either an inconsistent flair player or more often a big bastard to create chaos. They know the defending team will sit deep, and it offers a chance to launch balls into the box. We should know - we've conceded a few of these ourselves this season. We simply have no option like that to bring on without Mitro. Instead we bring on Joselu. Joselu was in the starting lineup every week for ages - what instructions was he following? I certainly hope all those sh*te performances weren't what Rafa was asking him to do! Gayle too has had his fair share of awful games where he's offered absolutely nothing on and off the ball. Are we supposed to believe Rafa has looked at that and thought "well done, Mitro wouldn't have done that"? At least with Perez you can make a case for his workrate. If we had any half decent striker then I might believe he's been left out the squad and farmed off on loan for tactical reasons. There's clearly more to this than meets the eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 His attitude was a disgrace not optimal in training and that is from Rafa's mouth............ Fixed your post, but point still stands. The "doesn't suit the system" argument is something Mitrovic have said. For the greater good and team atmosphere I 100% support Benitez that he does not select people that are not performing in training simply based on ability. Imagine if all our most talented players stopped giving a fuck in training because they know they will get picked anyway. We've seen this before, and we'd already be down this season. I am very frustrated with Mitro because I like him as a player and person (based on what I know at least) and want to see him do great here. Suck it up and bust a gut in training, engage with Benitez to discuss how he wants to use him and try and follow his advices. Im sure Benitez is contacting Mitro after each match to give him some feedback on how his positioning would be even more optimal if he ran in 1cm longer leaps etc, while also congratulating him on his performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 From most reports Mitro didn't hate Rafa or anything like that, I think their relationship is OK considering he never got picked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Who knows what he thinks about Rafa or anyone. I reckon he just has this in his head at all times. https://g.co/kgs/wWAQfU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 If Mitrovic had started as many games or came on as a sub as Dwight Gayle or Joselu, would he have scored more, less, or about the same? That's the question. Cant prove anything now, but I think he would have done better than both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Joselu isn't even getting a start at the moment. Rafa obviously doesn't rate any of our strikers highly or he wouldn't keep rotating through Joselu, Perez and Gayle. He's picked Gayle over the last few games. If Slimani gets fit I'd imagine he'll start. Mitro getting goals in the Championship doesn't guarantee he'd get them in the Premiership (especially considering Fulham are an attacking team near the top of the Championship table and we are a counter attacking team near the bottom of the Premiership table). You may as well argue Armstrong's performances at Blackburn in League 1 mean he'd do a better job than some of our strikers in the Premiership. It's pure conjecture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Given that two or three goals at the right time would've made a big difference to our position, you have to wonder at Rafa's man management with Mitrovic. If we go down and Rafa walks, then this may prove to be a self-inflicted nail in the coffin. Who really cares if joselu runs around like a blue arsed fly in training? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 At a Martin Hardy talk I went to before Christmas he said Rafa said out of our strikers Mitrovic was the 4th best finisher in training behind Gayle, Ayoze and Joselu. Not in reply to anyone in particular just adding it to the discussion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well thats alright then. I feel much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well thats alright then. I feel much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 At a Martin Hardy talk I went to before Christmas he said Rafa said out of our strikers Mitrovic was the 4th best finisher in training behind Gayle, Ayoze and Joselu. Not in reply to anyone in particular just adding it to the discussion Tbh, I can quite well believe Joselu finishes world class in training. Doing it in front of 52k fans in a high pressure Premier game is a different thing altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I have to say I disagree with the concept of judging a striker 100% on training ground effort. Rather judge by effort in matches, that’s where the pressure is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well thats alright then. I feel much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 What happens at St James' > What happens at Benton. Not really bothered what they do in acres of space in training. They all bottle it often where it matters. And Joselu theb lets it affect his whole game on top of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Will gan absolutely radge, if we're relegated, and Mitro bangs in double figures for Fulham tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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