samptime29 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Elliot clearly saves the first one like. Sometimes the ones, where Elliot has to "get down" he can do better. But those types of rising shots he saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Some people have short memories on Elliot. He's let in plenty similar or easier in his time here - Craig Noone in the FA Cup was quite similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'd just stick Woodman in goal until January. If he's even worse than Darlow we might as well just release him tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 But Darlow actually looks like a goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I haven’t seen any of the replays, but their first goal I thought to myself he should be getting to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. As has been pointed out before, it didn't do Jordan Pickford any harm. Though he had more first team football under his belt I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. As has been pointed out before, it didn't do Jordan Pickford any harm. Though he had more first team football under his belt I guess. It didn’t no, and he stood out for the mackems and got a big money move. He’s an average ‘keeper for me though. I’d just rather not throw in a young ‘keeper while we are conceding so many as I’d hate for his potential to be damaged. Give him a run out at home to Luton and if we get another canny tie in the next round if we beat Luton, give him another run out. Ideally he should be out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'd still take the chance and put him in. He's 21 in a couple of months time so it's hardly like he's a baby and I'm sure he'd relish the opportunity of getting a bit of a run in the 1st team. Looking at it from his perspective I'd be thinking that I can't get a game ahead of those 2 planks there's probably not much future for me at the club, especially considering it's surely a position Rafa will be strengthening next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm not against putting Woodman in tbh. Either Big Rob comes back in or Woodman. Darlow can't continue, he looks like's going to make a mistake every game ATM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 You can't compere the pressure of youth internationals with the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 For comparison although different positions, Solanke has played 9 times in the PL for liverpool and he's 20. Played 25 games out on loan the exact same number as woodman. Only one start, which is the only comparative measure really, as you don't bring on a new 'keeper for the last 5 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Made this point before but much more young kids get ruined by not playing than those that do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Woodman should really have spent more time on loan by this stage. We have used the loan system more with our players BUT ideally you want your keepers to get a decent amount of games under their belt. Having said that both Elliot and Darlow have struggled at times so I'd probably risk it and give Woodman a go unless of course we can get an experienced keeper in as soon as the window opens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Darlow will probably find himself dropped after that. Only problem is I don't think Elliott would have saved it either, he was really slow to get down for one of the goals we conceded against Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Some people have short memories on Elliot. He's let in plenty similar or easier in his time here - Craig Noone in the FA Cup was quite similar. Not necessarily, but it's easier to advocate the alternative when Darlow did it just yesterday and his obvious mistakes are more obvious and more prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Made this point before but much more young kids get ruined by not playing than those that do Yeah a good point, to be honest I'm sick of reading he's not ready. Be it a GK or any player in other positions, when will a player be ready then ? 22, 23, 24 it's ridiculous. If they're good enough then they should play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Playing games makes players ready. Look how different Murphy looks now. In his cameos he looked scared of the ball, now he's our only player who wants to run with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Made this point before but much more young kids get ruined by not playing than those that do Yeah a good point, to be honest I'm sick of reading he's not ready. Be it a GK or any player in other positions, when will a player be ready then ? 22, 23, 24 it's ridiculous. If they're good enough then they should play. Just play him. Everyone talks about us potentially ruining a young prospect by throwing him in to a shit team but we're ruining him anyway if he's not going to actually play any games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I’d be playing Woodman and just letting him get on with it. Convinced he’d not do any worse than our current group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Is it also a bit simplistic to say that if a relegation scrap ruins your confidence to the point of your career being fucked at 20 then you weren't going to make it anyway? Maybe, but i think it's just an easy excuse to give a young player who fails. Just give him a shot ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Is it also a bit simplistic to say that if a relegation scrap ruins your confidence to the point of your career being f***ed at 20 then you weren't going to make it anyway? Maybe, but i think it's just an easy excuse to give a young player who fails. Just give him a shot ffs. Hasn't done Pickford any harm by the looks of it. He looks a very good keeper despite being in a struggling 11 his whole top flight career to date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I’d be playing Woodman and just letting him get on with it. Convinced he’d not do any worse than our current group. I'm noted for having a go at Rafa (I prefer to see it as speaking up against Rafa can do no wrong orthodoxy from some on here) but what is his record like bringing yong players through. I genuinely have no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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