samag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 No better than Elliot . A new goalkeeper is a must in January Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I think Elliot saves the first and doesn't flap at the crosses. He's let a couple of soft ones in, but wasn't as ropey as Darlow. The team is struggling enough for confidence as it is without Darlow adding to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I said earlier in the year we should just put Woodman in goal and most people here disagreed, i really don't think he is any worse than the two who already played this season and he will only get better, they won't. I said similar. I'd have made him number 2 at the start of the season personally and gave him the chance when it came along. Was also shot down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I think Elliot saves the first and doesn't flap at the crosses. He's let a couple of soft ones in, but wasn't as ropey as Darlow. The team is struggling enough for confidence as it is without Darlow adding to it. He doesn’t flap at crosses. Because he is always rooted to his line. Both keepers are not up to standard. Whether it is Eliot or Darlow. We are struggling either way and both are going to throw goals in that Prem level keepers should/would be saving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I think Elliot saves the first and doesn't flap at the crosses. He's let a couple of soft ones in, but wasn't as ropey as Darlow. The team is struggling enough for confidence as it is without Darlow adding to it. He doesn’t flap at crosses. Because he is always rooted to his line. Both keepers are not up to standard. Whether it is Eliot or Darlow. We are struggling either way and both are going to throw goals in that Prem level keepers should/would be saving. Darlow should stick to his line given how shit he is at catching the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Elliot clearly saves the first one like. Sometimes the ones, where Elliot has to "get down" he can do better. But those types of rising shots he saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Some people have short memories on Elliot. He's let in plenty similar or easier in his time here - Craig Noone in the FA Cup was quite similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'd just stick Woodman in goal until January. If he's even worse than Darlow we might as well just release him tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 But Darlow actually looks like a goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I haven’t seen any of the replays, but their first goal I thought to myself he should be getting to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. As has been pointed out before, it didn't do Jordan Pickford any harm. Though he had more first team football under his belt I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. As has been pointed out before, it didn't do Jordan Pickford any harm. Though he had more first team football under his belt I guess. It didn’t no, and he stood out for the mackems and got a big money move. He’s an average ‘keeper for me though. I’d just rather not throw in a young ‘keeper while we are conceding so many as I’d hate for his potential to be damaged. Give him a run out at home to Luton and if we get another canny tie in the next round if we beat Luton, give him another run out. Ideally he should be out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'd still take the chance and put him in. He's 21 in a couple of months time so it's hardly like he's a baby and I'm sure he'd relish the opportunity of getting a bit of a run in the 1st team. Looking at it from his perspective I'd be thinking that I can't get a game ahead of those 2 planks there's probably not much future for me at the club, especially considering it's surely a position Rafa will be strengthening next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I'm not against putting Woodman in tbh. Either Big Rob comes back in or Woodman. Darlow can't continue, he looks like's going to make a mistake every game ATM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 You can't compere the pressure of youth internationals with the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 For comparison although different positions, Solanke has played 9 times in the PL for liverpool and he's 20. Played 25 games out on loan the exact same number as woodman. Only one start, which is the only comparative measure really, as you don't bring on a new 'keeper for the last 5 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Made this point before but much more young kids get ruined by not playing than those that do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Woodman should really have spent more time on loan by this stage. We have used the loan system more with our players BUT ideally you want your keepers to get a decent amount of games under their belt. Having said that both Elliot and Darlow have struggled at times so I'd probably risk it and give Woodman a go unless of course we can get an experienced keeper in as soon as the window opens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Darlow will probably find himself dropped after that. Only problem is I don't think Elliott would have saved it either, he was really slow to get down for one of the goals we conceded against Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Some people have short memories on Elliot. He's let in plenty similar or easier in his time here - Craig Noone in the FA Cup was quite similar. Not necessarily, but it's easier to advocate the alternative when Darlow did it just yesterday and his obvious mistakes are more obvious and more prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We are conceding goals and cannot just throw a 20 year old kid into that kind of environment because it could shatter his confidence. They are judged on clean sheets like strikers are judged on goals. He's 20 now. Two years older than Krul was when he broke into our 1st team. He's gained great experince with England, representing them at 6 different levels, culminating with him winning the World Cup and also the Golden Glove award for being the best Keeper in the tournament. Our 2 senior goalkeepers are hopeless, Darlow has conceded 11 goals in 4 games this season. If he's not getting a chance now I don't see when he ever will. It’s not as simple as that though. He may be better than what we have, but he alone won’t prevent the goals going in and I’d rather protect a prodigious talent than throw him in at the deep end. I’d actually bring Elliott back in, because he seems more self confident than Darlow and that little bit extra may just help. Ideally in January we bring in an experienced goalkeeper... Made this point before but much more young kids get ruined by not playing than those that do Yeah a good point, to be honest I'm sick of reading he's not ready. Be it a GK or any player in other positions, when will a player be ready then ? 22, 23, 24 it's ridiculous. If they're good enough then they should play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Playing games makes players ready. Look how different Murphy looks now. In his cameos he looked scared of the ball, now he's our only player who wants to run with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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