mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? howay man? the ref directly cost us a goal but the sending off dictated the rest amazed at some stuff tonight like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Batter them in the first half. We couldn't score or come close against one of the worst defences in English football. Eh? We completely dominated the game with 11 men and could easily have been 2 or 3 up. But we weren't 2 or 3 up. man. Please stop being a tool. I'll be alright thanks. The day I take instructions from you will be a sad day indeed. Its not a strong point anyway. Sunderland last season: Arsenal 0-0 Sunderland Sunderland 0-0 Swansea Sunderland 1-1 Man Utd Sunderland 0-0 Chelsea Liverpool 0-0 Sunderland They have proven that if they sit back they can keep a game tight. Its hardly ridiculous to not score when they get everyone behind the ball, thats all they are good for. Its when they dont do that they are vulnerable. Southamptons 8-0 was the same season as the above results. Its how they approach the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? howay man? the ref directly cost us a goal but the sending off dictated the rest amazed at some stuff tonight like You haven't answered the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Batter them in the first half. We couldn't score or come close against one of the worst defences in English football. Eh? We completely dominated the game with 11 men and could easily have been 2 or 3 up. But we weren't 2 or 3 up. man. Please stop being a tool. I'll be alright thanks. The day I take instructions from you will be a sad day indeed. Its not a strong point anyway. Sunderland last season: Arsenal 0-0 Sunderland Sunderland 0-0 Swansea Sunderland 1-1 Man Utd Sunderland 0-0 Chelsea Liverpool 0-0 Sunderland They have proven that if they sit back they can keep a game tight. Its hardly ridiculous to not score when they get everyone behind the ball, thats all they are good for. Its when they dont do that they are vulnerable. Southamptons 8-0 was the same season as the above results. Its how they approach the game. Jayson, you're not reading the script. It's down to Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so s*** in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is f***ing embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, s*** ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as s*** as that. Do you disagree with that point? It would have been 1-1 if Mitro hadnt missed a sitter tbf. The main issue ive seen is our ability to close players down. Fletchers looped deflected shot that went out for the corner for the 2nd, was a result of no one going to him quickly enough. Bar that they've lucked out with the man being sent off & penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Steve Brenner @SunSteveBrenner Imagine being called a peadophile by 5,000 people and then scoring to shut them up. The wonders of sport . bit of a weird tweet, that. A real win for the little guy there The weirdo has deleted it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Steve Brenner @SunSteveBrenner Imagine being called a peadophile by 5,000 people and then scoring to shut them up. The wonders of sport . bit of a weird tweet, that. He just understands how hard it can be to be outed as a paedo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? howay man? the ref directly cost us a goal but the sending off dictated the rest amazed at some stuff tonight like You haven't answered the question. Honestly missed it. The answer is maybe. In all my years watching Newcastle coming back from a goal down with 10 men has not been one of our strengths if I'm honest. It's not something I feel should happen though today they had a go and got caught with a shitty deflected 2nd goal, hence I don't get the outrage/depression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Steve Brenner @SunSteveBrenner Imagine being called a peadophile by 5,000 people and then scoring to shut them up. The wonders of sport . bit of a weird tweet, that. Condoning paedophilia. What a nice bloke. I saw that tweet earlier followed by the perfect response: "Imagine being a peadophile" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 0-0 at HT and they had used 2 subs we would have won imo. To me it wasn't a pen! Ref robbed us. We were unlucky - not great but the better side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. This is what I said aye, we came back well enough but the second goal was a sucker punch, it doesn't render the rest of the performance invalid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 If that was Pardew at 2-0 down he swaps Dummett for Haidara. Atleast Mclaren gave it a go with Thauvin. Probably lead to Fletcher being free in Dummetts position for the 3rd but whatever. Atleast try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 On bbc: Madley though believed there was an infringement and, having awarded the penalty, was left with little choice but to send him off for preventing a goalscoring opportunity. The Football Association's law on impeding an opponent says: " A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offence as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. "If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent." Its not even debatable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so s*** in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is f***ing embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, s*** ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as s*** as that. Do you disagree with that point? howay man? the ref directly cost us a goal but the sending off dictated the rest amazed at some stuff tonight like You haven't answered the question. I'm not confident that teams put out by Souness, Roeder or Allardyce would have fought back. SBR and KK, sure but we are pretty damn far from those times, were even before Ashley arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 On bbc: Madley though believed there was an infringement and, having awarded the penalty, was left with little choice but to send him off for preventing a goalscoring opportunity. The Football Association's law on impeding an opponent says: " A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offence as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. "If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent." Its not even debatable. Of course it's not. Have you ever seen a penalty given for a shoulder charge before? Like fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. This is what I said aye, we came back well enough but the second goal was a sucker punch, it doesn't render the rest of the performance invalid. It's the point I'm making about this losing mentality we have in the club though. It used to be unacceptable, now it seems excusable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. Totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. This is what I said aye, we came back well enough but the second goal was a sucker punch, it doesn't render the rest of the performance invalid. It's the point I'm making about this losing mentality we have in the club though. It used to be unacceptable, now it seems excusable. I honestly didn't see that Pardew factor today, guess that's the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so s*** in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is f***ing embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, s*** ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as s*** as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. This is what I said aye, we came back well enough but the second goal was a sucker punch, it doesn't render the rest of the performance invalid. It's the point I'm making about this losing mentality we have in the club though. It used to be unacceptable, now it seems excusable. Totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Been same for about 2 years. Why is anyone surprised? Just go buy your ticket next week and maybe it might be different next week eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so shit in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is fucking embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, shit ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as shit as that. Do you disagree with that point? I thought we did try to fight back, should have equalised but then ended up conceding more goals while chasing the game. Pretty hard to fight back when you are behind and down to 10 men. If the score was 0-0 then that's a different matter, we could just took a striker off and defended. This is what I said aye, we came back well enough but the second goal was a sucker punch, it doesn't render the rest of the performance invalid. It's the point I'm making about this losing mentality we have in the club though. It used to be unacceptable, now it seems excusable. I honestly didn't see that Pardew factor today, guess that's the difference. Anyone who thinks we are worse now should try watching Palace for a few games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 The referee had a mare today, they must have committed 10 or so fouls within the first 15 minutes, Tiote gets booked for a second foul solely because it was so soon after the first one (not trying to defend him), they continue to commit fouls without any bookings allowing Clattermole to make challenges he otherwise couldn't risk on a yellow. The penalty has been done to death but the referees general performance was very poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Easy to look at the ridiculous refereeing decisions like, but this carries on for as long as Ashley's here really. All the little reasons during matches are just insignificant sidenotes to the fact that the identity of our club and the idea of any club, but in this case our's, has been completely gutted from the inside out to the extent that the quagmire has engulfed our own fanbase and our identity as fans is supporting something because it bears a name and nothing more. There's no real desire to compete from owner to chairman, to staff, players and fans. Players that do are touted to bigger clubs by the media and our own club alike, fans that do are told they're deluded by the media, other fans and our own fans - such has Ashley stamped his identity upon NUFC. Other fans seem to wear failure as a badge of honour, as if to only prove their endurance for being relentlessly lied to, sold to, mocked and then asked for help in the form of not protesting, so that it doesn't 'affect the players' who by in quality and quantity alone are just one byproduct of why the atmosphere is so s*** in the first place. People now go into derbies just not wanting to be embarrassed. That alone is f***ing embarrassing and it's only something that goes unnoticed because it's gradual. That outlook in 2008 would have been laughed at and it should be now. Our identity as a club has almost entirely gone like. This is the one we have now, I don't see the one we had anywhere at any level. did you watch the game? this seems like an emo note to failure from someone who didn't watch what unfolded Yeah, I watched it until 2-0. The referee was terrible yes, but I think looking at the referee is just a sidenote. Pre-Pardew/Ashley Newcastle teams 1-0 down and a man down would have fought back to a 1-1 against a team as pitiful as that, s*** ref or not. looking at the referee is a sidenote? you've all lost it, totally lost it like You'd have a point if we'd lost 1-0. It is a sidenote, as I've said, pre Pardew/Ashley teams would have fought back for a draw in that situation against a team as s*** as that. Do you disagree with that point? howay man? the ref directly cost us a goal but the sending off dictated the rest amazed at some stuff tonight like You haven't answered the question. I'm not confident that teams put out by Souness, Roeder or Allardyce would have fought back. SBR and KK, sure but we are pretty damn far from those times, were even before Ashley arrived. Yet none of them lost to much better Sunderland teams... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I think we were unlucky with the individual decisions. But all of our problems stemmed from long-term strategic issues that have not been addressed from the very top of the club. Play breaks, the ball is cleared fairly well, Colback is out-jumped - no stature in central midfield. (1) A decent through ball is played - but Fletcher is no Sterling - Colo's lack of pace (2) is a huge problem and creates the situation where he's imo harshly sent off. If he could run nothing happens. Also - our #2 goalie is awfully slow to move (3). Which causes Colo to need to make that move to make sure it's covered. If Elliot is out sharp, even with Colo's lack of pace the situation doesn't get to where it does. For the second goal we are defensively sloppy (4). Almost sleepy. We dominated the game for 45 minutes and never really looked like scoring (5a). We had perhaps 1 clean cut opportunity and it came from a lucky deflection. We looked like we could be dangerous but we are too slow in attacking build-up (5b) and have no proven goalscorers in the division that resemble footballers (5c). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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